Thanks, Steve for your suggestion on the model fitting. I was trying different variance-covariance structures on the field trials data set that consists of multiple harvest.Yes,I had a problem with not positive definite G matrix (only for few trials), but I resolved that by providing different initial parms. The three random statements in my original question was to model har_y at three random subject levels, i.e. loc, loc*cult and loc*blk. RVS
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