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09-23-2015 02:55 PM

Hello,

I've perform a mixed logit model with proc MDC. For some of the random coefficients set in the model, I get negative standard deviation. How is it possible? I cannot show you the codes and output because I work in a secure lab, but the problem seems to be the same as the one presented here: http://compgroups.net/comp.soft-sys.sas/mixed-logit-proc-mdc/643485

Thanks

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09-25-2015
06:23 AM

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Posted in reply to PaigeMiller

09-23-2015 03:33 PM - edited 09-23-2015 03:36 PM

The documentation states pretty clearly that for a mixed logit model:

*The estimate of spread for normally, uniformly, and lognormally distributed coefficients can be negative. The absolute value of the estimated spread can be interpreted as an estimate of standard deviation for normally distributed coefficients.*

So, I would suggest taking the absolute value as the estimate of the standard deviation. The documentation goes on to reference Brownstone and Train (1999) “Forecasting New Product Penetration with Flexible Substitution Patterns.” *Journal of Econometrics* 89:109–129.

Steve Denham

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Posted in reply to Demographer

09-23-2015 03:16 PM

There are a number of statistical methods that try to estimate a variance, and wind up with a negative estimate for variance on some data sets.

I have always treated this as a zero variance for all practical purposes.

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Paige Miller

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06:23 AM

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Posted in reply to PaigeMiller

09-23-2015 03:33 PM - edited 09-23-2015 03:36 PM

The documentation states pretty clearly that for a mixed logit model:

*The estimate of spread for normally, uniformly, and lognormally distributed coefficients can be negative. The absolute value of the estimated spread can be interpreted as an estimate of standard deviation for normally distributed coefficients.*

So, I would suggest taking the absolute value as the estimate of the standard deviation. The documentation goes on to reference Brownstone and Train (1999) “Forecasting New Product Penetration with Flexible Substitution Patterns.” *Journal of Econometrics* 89:109–129.

Steve Denham

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Posted in reply to SteveDenham

09-23-2015 05:01 PM

The estimate of a standard error parameter in a mixed logit model could be negative.

For a normally distributed random parameter (*ε ) *in a mixed logit model, the random paramter (*ε ) *is transformed by a standard normal random variable *η variable as follows:*

*ε *= *b *+ *sη*

where b is the mean and s^2 is the variance for *ε. Random variable η is N(0,1).*

*When estimating mean b, and spread s, since there is no restriction on the sign of s, the estimate of s could be negative.*

*The absolute value of s should be interpreted as the standard error estimate.*

*Owen Chen*