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How do I get Enterprise Guide to stop when I click...stop?

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How do I get Enterprise Guide to stop when I click...stop?

I have an EG project where it took about 2 hours to copy data from an RDBMS into SAS.  

 

I then submitted PROC SQL to join the various tables.  I then noticed a bug in the submitted code that would return incorrect results from the join.

 

So I clicked Stop.  And waited...and waited...and waited.

 

Killing EG via Task Manager seems a little extreme.  Plus I then lose the 2 hours of previous processing.

 

When I click Stop in SQL Server Management Studio, it always instantly stops.  Sure would be great if EG worked that way...

 

Are there any tricks to getting EG to stop in this scenario, or is it just the way it is?

 

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Re: How do I get Enterprise Guide to stop when I click...stop?

Hey, Scott - your EG is presumably on your workstation, but where is the underlying SAS that's doing the work - also on the workstation, or on a server somewhere?

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Re: How do I get Enterprise Guide to stop when I click...stop?

Hi Andrew, the SAS Workspace Session is on a server somewhere

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Re: How do I get Enterprise Guide to stop when I click...stop?

The most convenient way is to use OS command KILL .
But that need OS Admin right.
You can resort to your Admin to help you kill that sas process.

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Re: How do I get Enterprise Guide to stop when I click...stop?

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I don't want to kill the process, otherwise I lose my 2 hours work.  I want EG to stop when I click stop.  

 

Like most of other client-server products out there (ok, my sample size is only SQL Server Management Studio and the Oracle client, both of which allow me to stop a query)

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Re: How do I get Enterprise Guide to stop when I click...stop?

In my experience EG only stops SAS server processing reliably and quickly. If your project is querying an external database from your SAS server then EG doesn't appear to be able to forward a stop signal to the external database. This is at least the case with SAS/ACCESS to ODBC which is what we use to query external databases. I'd be interested to hear if users of other SAS/ACCESS products have different experiences.

 

BTW if you end up killing EG via Task Manager, you will still probably have a SAS Workspace session continuing on the server with the database connection still active. These sessions can be killed if you have SAS server admin access. 

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Re: How do I get Enterprise Guide to stop when I click...stop?

The 2 hours work was:

 

proc copy in=odbc_lib out=work;

   select my_two_tables;

run;

 

The SQL join was then against 3 work datasets.

 

I suspect EG can only work with what SAS Foundation gives it.  I just wish SAS would update the interrupt processing in the workspace server so its products work better.

 

I'd love for this suspicion to be incorrect, and there is a reliable way to get EG to stop when I click stop.

 

I don't have SAS server admin access.  Hopefully my SAS Admin runs some utility on a nightly basis to kill the zombie SAS workspace server processes, or else they otherwise die of their own accord since the connection to EG is dropped when I (usually but not in this case) nuke it via Task Manager.

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Re: How do I get Enterprise Guide to stop when I click...stop?

Hi, @SASKiwi

 

I can confirm that when Enterprise Guide is running a long query against a database, using the STOP button won't cause SAS to interrupt the database query. I've had a lot of experience using EG against different database products, and have seen this behaviour quite a few times.

 

Out of curiousity, have you ever checked with SAS DM if you close the SAS session, does the database query keep running?

 

Tom

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Re: How do I get Enterprise Guide to stop when I click...stop?

I haven't checked, but it often feels to me like there is nothing I can do to kill a query to a remote database.  I don't think killing EG or even killing the workspace server session would necessarily do it (BTW, I don't think you need to be root or admin to kill the server session, as long as it is running as you, I suppose maybe a pooled workspace server doesn't run jobs as you).  I think you end up with a zombie query running on the database.  Unless the database itself can detect that nothing is listening anymore.

 

So I agree with @ScottBass, would be nice to have a good way to interrupt a query.  And agree, it's probably more of a SAS/ACCESS thing than an EG thing, as SAS/ACCESS would need a way to send that interupt signal to the database server, at the same time as it is just sitting there, waiting for a response. 

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Re: How do I get Enterprise Guide to stop when I click...stop?

How about this custom task to list/stop SAS sessions?  Or PROC IOMOPERATE?  Both of these do require connection information for the SAS Object Spawner.  You can try these options from a second EG session that should be able to see the process started by your busy EG session.

 

I'm sorry that you're experiencing a delay/hang when trying to Stop a job.  This was a big problem before SAS 9.2 -- the "cancel" button really did nothing because a busy SAS process would never yield long enough to receive a Cancel message.  However, in SAS 9.2 the Cancel was "fixed" to behave basically the same as Ctrl-Break in SAS Display Manager, "Terminate all submitted statements".  Even with that though, a job that has been farmed out to a database might keep running.

 

Chris

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Re: How do I get Enterprise Guide to stop when I click...stop?

Hi @TomKari - unfortunately we don't use DM any more so I can't confirm that behaviour. My guess is it would behave similarly to EG. 

 

@ChrisHemedinger - My experience with SAS 9.3 or later is consistent with your comments. The STOP button works pretty well except when querying remote databases.

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Re: How do I get Enterprise Guide to stop when I click...stop?

Hi All,

 

Thanks for the replies so far.  To wrap up this thread...

 

Sorry, I think mentioning an external database was a red herring and opened a can of worms.  I only mentioned it since it was the cause of the long running job.

 

Here is my code, edited slightly for privacy:

 

 

* fact table ;
data workspde.main_fact_table;
   set odbclib.vw_record;
   where 
      hospital_type eq 2  
      and
      record_status ne 4  
   ;
run;

* lookup tables - this took about 2 hours ;
* there is a reason I wasn't using pass through ; proc copy in=odbclib out=workspde; select lookup1 lookup2; run; * join ; proc sql _method; create table workspde.final as select * from workspde.main_fact_table a left join workspde.lookup1 b on a.key1=b.key1 left join workspde.lookup2 c on a.key2=c.key2 ; quit;

 

 

About 2 mins into the join, I clicked stop.  I think EG stopped about 10 mins later; I don't know for sure as I was in other windows at the time.

 

So at the time I clicked stop I wasn't running a query against an external database.  I was using a SPDE library if that matters?

 

Like I said, I think EG can only work with what SAS Foundation provides.  I don't have DMS available to test whether interrupting a similar join would immediately stop or not.

 

What I can say is that, speaking objectively and without bias (I love SAS software!) is that, for this situation, my user experience is better when I undertake a similar action in SSMS or Oracle SQL Developer.  Clicking stop immediately stops the query.

 

I'll see if Chris' suggestions help.

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Re: How do I get Enterprise Guide to stop when I click...stop?

Very interesting!

 

I've always cut SAS a pass on the "keeps on running" behaviour with external databases, because to be realistic how COULD SAS stop a query to a database over which it realistically has no control? Whereas when you're running in SSMS or Oracle SQL Developer, the total stack is under the control of Microsoft or Oracle, therefore there's a lot more flexibility.

 

However, the fact that you are running against SPDE changes everything, in my opinion. I have no experience with SPDE, but SAS-developed software should absolutely have the necessary hooks into SPDE to stop a query immediately.

 

If I were in this situation, and nothing develops from discussing it on the communities, I would certainly raise it with SAS Tech Support. Not necessarily a bug, but definitely room for improvement.

 

Tom

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Re: How do I get Enterprise Guide to stop when I click...stop?

One more thing, along the same lines as this thread...

 

I have a long running program entry in EG.  That entry is running PROC SQL with explicit pass through.

 

I want to queue up the next program entry in the process flow, so it will get queued and launch immediately after the first one ends.  

 

I select the 2nd entry, RMB, Run...I get the message "Connecting to server SASApp", get a busy cursor, and EG becomes unresponsive, i.e. clicking on the taskbar icon won't even raise the window.

 

Eventually the 2nd program runs, but the temptation is to think that EG is hung and kill it.  And of course this prevents me from then queuing the 3rd program in the list.

 

EG 6.1 M1

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Re: How do I get Enterprise Guide to stop when I click...stop?

Yep EG will queue separate programs, but not code selections in the same program.

 

Personally I find it far easier to run long SAS jobs in batch while I get on with more EG development but of course that only works if you are writing SAS code. Of course you can also run multiple EG sessions but personally find it cumbersome so don't do it much.

 

It would be nice if EG could do asynchronous SUBMITs, like you can do in Display Manager with SAS/CONNECT so you can have multiple programs running simultaneously. But then with Viya just around the corner there may be other options... 

 

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