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    <title>topic Choosing an Appropriate Procedure in Statistical Procedures</title>
    <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Choosing-an-Appropriate-Procedure/m-p/179236#M9290</link>
    <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thank you SAS community users once again for reading this!&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;This is more of a general stats question regarding the best procedure to answer my question of interest.&amp;nbsp; I started to address it using poisson regression in proc GLIMMIX, but now am unsure about this decision. &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Experimental Design:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I sampled shrubs (stem counts by species) in quadrats in 3 forests and measured environmental variables in each of those quadrats.&amp;nbsp; The environmental variable of primary interest the "wetness" of each quadrat. &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;In order to make more ecological sense of the data, I aggregated the shrubs by Wetland Indicator Status (e.g. a measure of the known preference of species for wetland areas). &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;What I want to know is how relationship between stem density and wetness differs between the different indicator groups.&amp;nbsp; That is, I want to be able to compare the responses of the shrub groups to these conditions.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/STRONG&gt;My initial thought was to make Indicator Status a term in a poisson regression, where a significant interaction between "hydro" (the wetness measure) and "IND" the wetland indicator status of the shrub group&amp;nbsp; (hydro*ind in the model statement below) would indicate that the relationship between stem count and wetness differs between shrub groups with different indicator statuses.&lt;STRONG&gt;&amp;nbsp; Basically, I am trying to confirm what you would expect--that the density of shrubs with an affinity for wet soils increase as soil wetness increases, and those with a preference for drier areas decrease with increasing wetness.&amp;nbsp; There is then a third group of an invasive species that does not have an indicator status, so I am trying to see it its relationship with wetness is more like the wetland or upland species.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #ff6600;"&gt;However, I am thinking that my approach to the analysis is problematic, because indicator status (IND) is a property of the DV and not an independent variable.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;So if anyone can help me come up with a way of answering this question, it would help me immensely.&amp;nbsp; I do need a method that can handle non-normal data (count data, so it is has many zeroes), and random effects (forest site is a random effect). &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;First attempt here:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;proc glimmix data=shrub maxopt=100;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;class site ind;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;model count=&amp;nbsp; hydro&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; ind&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; ind*hydro&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; / dist=poisson link=log solution;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;random&amp;nbsp; site;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;covtest 'Global Test random effects' ZEROG / CL WALD;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;output out=glimmixout predicted=pred Pearson=PearsonRes; run;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;THANKS IN ADVANCE!! &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Sincerely,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Meghan Langley&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;aka. Ms. ABD&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2014 22:11:09 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>mrlang02</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2014-10-09T22:11:09Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Choosing an Appropriate Procedure</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Choosing-an-Appropriate-Procedure/m-p/179236#M9290</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thank you SAS community users once again for reading this!&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;This is more of a general stats question regarding the best procedure to answer my question of interest.&amp;nbsp; I started to address it using poisson regression in proc GLIMMIX, but now am unsure about this decision. &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Experimental Design:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I sampled shrubs (stem counts by species) in quadrats in 3 forests and measured environmental variables in each of those quadrats.&amp;nbsp; The environmental variable of primary interest the "wetness" of each quadrat. &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;In order to make more ecological sense of the data, I aggregated the shrubs by Wetland Indicator Status (e.g. a measure of the known preference of species for wetland areas). &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;What I want to know is how relationship between stem density and wetness differs between the different indicator groups.&amp;nbsp; That is, I want to be able to compare the responses of the shrub groups to these conditions.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/STRONG&gt;My initial thought was to make Indicator Status a term in a poisson regression, where a significant interaction between "hydro" (the wetness measure) and "IND" the wetland indicator status of the shrub group&amp;nbsp; (hydro*ind in the model statement below) would indicate that the relationship between stem count and wetness differs between shrub groups with different indicator statuses.&lt;STRONG&gt;&amp;nbsp; Basically, I am trying to confirm what you would expect--that the density of shrubs with an affinity for wet soils increase as soil wetness increases, and those with a preference for drier areas decrease with increasing wetness.&amp;nbsp; There is then a third group of an invasive species that does not have an indicator status, so I am trying to see it its relationship with wetness is more like the wetland or upland species.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #ff6600;"&gt;However, I am thinking that my approach to the analysis is problematic, because indicator status (IND) is a property of the DV and not an independent variable.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;So if anyone can help me come up with a way of answering this question, it would help me immensely.&amp;nbsp; I do need a method that can handle non-normal data (count data, so it is has many zeroes), and random effects (forest site is a random effect). &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;First attempt here:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;proc glimmix data=shrub maxopt=100;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;class site ind;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;model count=&amp;nbsp; hydro&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; ind&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; ind*hydro&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; / dist=poisson link=log solution;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;random&amp;nbsp; site;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;covtest 'Global Test random effects' ZEROG / CL WALD;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;output out=glimmixout predicted=pred Pearson=PearsonRes; run;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;THANKS IN ADVANCE!! &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Sincerely,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Meghan Langley&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;aka. Ms. ABD&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2014 22:11:09 GMT</pubDate>
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