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    <title>topic Re: PROC GLIMMIX and MIXED basic questions in Statistical Procedures</title>
    <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/PROC-GLIMMIX-and-MIXED-basic-questions/m-p/169021#M8817</link>
    <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;A really valuable source is &lt;EM&gt;SAS for Mixed Models, 2nd ed.&lt;/EM&gt; by Littell et al.&amp;nbsp; I can't imagine working with SAS and mixed models without having this available.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;And it will answer every one of your questions that you posed.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Steve Denham&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Fri, 14 Feb 2014 19:14:22 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>SteveDenham</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2014-02-14T19:14:22Z</dc:date>
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      <title>PROC GLIMMIX and MIXED basic questions</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/PROC-GLIMMIX-and-MIXED-basic-questions/m-p/169020#M8816</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;Hello all,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I have some basic questions regarding PROC GLIMMIX and PROC MIXED, and probably other mixed models related PROC's.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Assume that I have an outcome variable Y, continuous, and a treatment variable X with 2 levels. Let's also say that every subject in the analysis contributes 3 data points (can be 3 treatments in one person, or students within schools).&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;If I write this code:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;proc mixed data = ....;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; class SubjID;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; model Y = X / solution cl;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; [random statement]&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;run;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;what is the difference between:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;random SubjID;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;to&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;random intercept / subject = SubjID;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;and let's say (if it's a legal statement):&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;random Treatment / subject = SubjID;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I tried it on a small data set and the first two options gave me identical results. This question of course is relevant also for glimmix with a dist = binary.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;And one more question, if I have this scenario, and I run a PROC MIXED once with random statement and once with REPEATED, and the results are very similar and leading to the same conclusions, how can I choose if to use R side or G side covariance ?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thank you !&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 10 Feb 2014 13:32:29 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>BlueNose</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2014-02-10T13:32:29Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: PROC GLIMMIX and MIXED basic questions</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/PROC-GLIMMIX-and-MIXED-basic-questions/m-p/169021#M8817</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;A really valuable source is &lt;EM&gt;SAS for Mixed Models, 2nd ed.&lt;/EM&gt; by Littell et al.&amp;nbsp; I can't imagine working with SAS and mixed models without having this available.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;And it will answer every one of your questions that you posed.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Steve Denham&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 14 Feb 2014 19:14:22 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>SteveDenham</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2014-02-14T19:14:22Z</dc:date>
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