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    <title>topic Sample Size for A/B/C/D test with no prior benchmarks set in Statistical Procedures</title>
    <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Sample-Size-for-A-B-C-D-test-with-no-prior-benchmarks-set/m-p/165637#M8679</link>
    <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;Hi--&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I'm putting together a new &lt;SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 1.5em;"&gt;advertising&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 1.5em;"&gt; &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN style="line-height: 1.5em; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;creative &lt;/SPAN&gt;campaign test&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="line-height: 1.5em;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; - the creatives I'm using have never been tested before and the &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN style="line-height: 19.5px;"&gt;company has never down and creative test campaign.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN style="line-height: 1.5em;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; Normally, I would I would use proc power and base one proportion off a historical response rate and one proportion off an anticipated lift. So, like this&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;proc power;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; TwoSampleFreq&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; Test=Fisher&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; Alpha =0.01 0.05 0.1&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; Sides = 1&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; GroupProportions = ( p1. p2.)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; Power =.9&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; Npergroup&amp;nbsp; =.;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The issue that I have is that I have no historical benchmark&amp;nbsp; to base the sample size calculation off of; so,&amp;nbsp; no prior response rate based on creatives how the creative performed in the past. &lt;SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 1.5em;"&gt;What I will know is what the total universe of people I can pull a sample from&amp;nbsp; will be. &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 1.5em;"&gt;How should the sample size(s) be calculated when the creative test campaign is new?&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;This is what my test cells look like:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;TABLE border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" jive-data-cell="{&amp;quot;color&amp;quot;:&amp;quot;#575757&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;textAlign&amp;quot;:&amp;quot;left&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;padding&amp;quot;:&amp;quot;NaN&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;backgroundColor&amp;quot;:&amp;quot;transparent&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;fontFamily&amp;quot;:&amp;quot;arial,helvetica,sans-serif&amp;quot;}" jive-data-header="{&amp;quot;color&amp;quot;:&amp;quot;#FFFFFF&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;backgroundColor&amp;quot;:&amp;quot;#6690BC&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;textAlign&amp;quot;:&amp;quot;center&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;padding&amp;quot;:&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;}" style="width: 192px; border: 1px solid #000000;"&gt;&lt;TBODY&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD class="xl63" height="70" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Customers&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD class="xl63" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Tactic &lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD class="xl63" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Sample Size (n=&lt;/STRONG&gt;)&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD class="xl64" height="70" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000;"&gt;A. Hold Out Group&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD class="xl64" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000;"&gt;No Tactic&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD class="xl64" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000;"&gt;?&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD class="xl65" height="47" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000;"&gt;B. Control&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD class="xl65" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000;"&gt;Email Only&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD class="xl65" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000;"&gt;?&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD class="xl65" height="24" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000;"&gt;C. Test 1&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD class="xl65" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000;"&gt;Direct Mail &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD class="xl65" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000;"&gt;?&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD class="xl64" height="47" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000;"&gt;D. Test 2&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD class="xl64" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000;"&gt;Email + Direct Mail&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD class="xl64" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000;"&gt;?&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD class="xl66" height="47" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000;"&gt;Total (n=)&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD class="xl67" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD class="xl65" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000;"&gt;?&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;/TBODY&gt;&lt;/TABLE&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Any feedback/advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks!&amp;nbsp; &lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2014 00:42:12 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>RobertNYC</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2014-05-20T00:42:12Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Sample Size for A/B/C/D test with no prior benchmarks set</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Sample-Size-for-A-B-C-D-test-with-no-prior-benchmarks-set/m-p/165637#M8679</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;Hi--&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I'm putting together a new &lt;SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 1.5em;"&gt;advertising&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 1.5em;"&gt; &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN style="line-height: 1.5em; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;creative &lt;/SPAN&gt;campaign test&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 10pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="line-height: 1.5em;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; - the creatives I'm using have never been tested before and the &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN style="line-height: 19.5px;"&gt;company has never down and creative test campaign.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN style="line-height: 1.5em;"&gt;&amp;nbsp; Normally, I would I would use proc power and base one proportion off a historical response rate and one proportion off an anticipated lift. So, like this&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;proc power;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; TwoSampleFreq&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; Test=Fisher&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; Alpha =0.01 0.05 0.1&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; Sides = 1&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; GroupProportions = ( p1. p2.)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; Power =.9&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; Npergroup&amp;nbsp; =.;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The issue that I have is that I have no historical benchmark&amp;nbsp; to base the sample size calculation off of; so,&amp;nbsp; no prior response rate based on creatives how the creative performed in the past. &lt;SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 1.5em;"&gt;What I will know is what the total universe of people I can pull a sample from&amp;nbsp; will be. &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; line-height: 1.5em;"&gt;How should the sample size(s) be calculated when the creative test campaign is new?&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;This is what my test cells look like:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;TABLE border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" jive-data-cell="{&amp;quot;color&amp;quot;:&amp;quot;#575757&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;textAlign&amp;quot;:&amp;quot;left&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;padding&amp;quot;:&amp;quot;NaN&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;backgroundColor&amp;quot;:&amp;quot;transparent&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;fontFamily&amp;quot;:&amp;quot;arial,helvetica,sans-serif&amp;quot;}" jive-data-header="{&amp;quot;color&amp;quot;:&amp;quot;#FFFFFF&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;backgroundColor&amp;quot;:&amp;quot;#6690BC&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;textAlign&amp;quot;:&amp;quot;center&amp;quot;,&amp;quot;padding&amp;quot;:&amp;quot;2&amp;quot;}" style="width: 192px; border: 1px solid #000000;"&gt;&lt;TBODY&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD class="xl63" height="70" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Customers&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD class="xl63" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Tactic &lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD class="xl63" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Sample Size (n=&lt;/STRONG&gt;)&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD class="xl64" height="70" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000;"&gt;A. Hold Out Group&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD class="xl64" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000;"&gt;No Tactic&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD class="xl64" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000;"&gt;?&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD class="xl65" height="47" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000;"&gt;B. Control&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD class="xl65" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000;"&gt;Email Only&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD class="xl65" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000;"&gt;?&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD class="xl65" height="24" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000;"&gt;C. Test 1&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD class="xl65" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000;"&gt;Direct Mail &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD class="xl65" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000;"&gt;?&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD class="xl64" height="47" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000;"&gt;D. Test 2&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD class="xl64" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000;"&gt;Email + Direct Mail&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD class="xl64" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000;"&gt;?&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD class="xl66" height="47" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000;"&gt;Total (n=)&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD class="xl67" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD class="xl65" style="color: #575757; text-align: left; padding: 0px; background-color: transparent; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;" width="64"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #000000;"&gt;?&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;/TBODY&gt;&lt;/TABLE&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Any feedback/advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks!&amp;nbsp; &lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2014 00:42:12 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Sample-Size-for-A-B-C-D-test-with-no-prior-benchmarks-set/m-p/165637#M8679</guid>
      <dc:creator>RobertNYC</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2014-05-20T00:42:12Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Sample Size for A/B/C/D test with no prior benchmarks set</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Sample-Size-for-A-B-C-D-test-with-no-prior-benchmarks-set/m-p/165638#M8680</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;One can always appeal to a "worst case scenario"&amp;nbsp; Assume that your reference is 0.5, and generate sample sizes based on what you consider an important deviation from that value.&amp;nbsp; Then the matter becomes balancing cost of conducting the survey versus the expected return.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Steve Denham&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2014 14:47:34 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Sample-Size-for-A-B-C-D-test-with-no-prior-benchmarks-set/m-p/165638#M8680</guid>
      <dc:creator>SteveDenham</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2014-05-20T14:47:34Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Sample Size for A/B/C/D test with no prior benchmarks set</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Sample-Size-for-A-B-C-D-test-with-no-prior-benchmarks-set/m-p/165639#M8681</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;Hi Steve&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; background-color: #ffffff;"&gt;Thank you for feedback. This was very helpful. &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; background-color: #ffffff;"&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; background-color: #ffffff;"&gt;I have one more question if you have time &lt;img id="smileyhappy" class="emoticon emoticon-smileyhappy" src="https://communities.sas.com/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.png" alt="Smiley Happy" title="Smiley Happy" /&gt; &lt;BR /&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; background-color: #ffffff;"&gt;I would like to compute sample sizes based on these combinations:&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; background-color: #ffffff;"&gt;A+B vs C+D&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; background-color: #ffffff;"&gt;D vs A&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; background-color: #ffffff;"&gt;D vs B&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; background-color: #ffffff;"&gt;C vs A&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; background-color: #ffffff;"&gt;C vs B&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; background-color: #ffffff;"&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="background-color: #ffffff;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif;"&gt;Should I use a different method/proc to calculate the sizes?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; background-color: #ffffff;"&gt;Any further suggestions/advice&amp;nbsp; of &lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif;"&gt;what to use is greatly&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="color: #222222; font-family: arial, sans-serif; background-color: #ffffff;"&gt;appreciated.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2014 14:58:57 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Sample-Size-for-A-B-C-D-test-with-no-prior-benchmarks-set/m-p/165639#M8681</guid>
      <dc:creator>RobertNYC</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2014-05-20T14:58:57Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Sample Size for A/B/C/D test with no prior benchmarks set</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Sample-Size-for-A-B-C-D-test-with-no-prior-benchmarks-set/m-p/165640#M8682</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;When in "worst case" mode where you have no prior estimate of any of the groups, it isn't going to make any difference (well except for the A+B vs C+D).&amp;nbsp; Any pairwise comparison is the same.&amp;nbsp; For instance if one group were at 0.5, and you wished to detect a shift of 0.05 with alpha=0.05 and power=0.8 using a two-sided Fisher's Exact test, you will need 1605 per group.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I would just modify your code to:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;proc power;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; TwoSampleFreq&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; Test=Fisher&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; Alpha =0.01 0.05 0.1&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; Sides = 1&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; GroupProportions = ( 0.5. 0.55.)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; Power =.9&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; Npergroup&amp;nbsp; =.;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;run;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I get n per group values of 2635, 1747 and 1350 for the three alpha values given.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Steve Denham&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2014 15:11:31 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>SteveDenham</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2014-05-20T15:11:31Z</dc:date>
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