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    <title>topic Stratified cummulative logistic regression II in Statistical Procedures</title>
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    <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;Hi again&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Another novel problem.&amp;nbsp; I have 28 fruit on a tree, numbered from 1 to 28, all the same age but different weights.&amp;nbsp; I gave them all a treatment and measured the result.&amp;nbsp; Two weeks later I weighed them all again and gave them all a second treatment.&amp;nbsp; At the time of the second treatment the smaller fruit had grown to the size that the larger fruit were at the first treatment.&amp;nbsp; The larger fruit from the first treatment were, by then, even larger.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;My outcome is ternary; no effect, some effect, or big effect.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;My model is: Outcome = Weight Age&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The data are matched pairs in a simple test-retest experiment.&amp;nbsp; My theory is that if weight was the main factor then the heavier fruit would show a larger effect regardless of age.&amp;nbsp; But, if age was important then the second treatment would show an overall bigger effect than the first treatment.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;But, when I try to include the strata statement &lt;SPAN style="background: white; color: black; line-height: 115%; font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;Strata = ID;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I get the message: &lt;SPAN style="font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-language: EN-AU;"&gt;NRRIDG needs more than 25 iterations or 250 function calls.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Now, if I take the strata statement out and run the model as a straight forward set of 56 independant data then age is significant and weight is not.&amp;nbsp; I would expect that if I can match the pairs somehow then this finding will become even more statistically significant.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;What are my options - all suggestions welcome.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I was thinking maybe use a different optimisation method?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Peter (Brest, France)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2014 10:23:07 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>PeterBuzzacott</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2014-09-12T10:23:07Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Stratified cummulative logistic regression II</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Stratified-cummulative-logistic-regression-II/m-p/142168#M7403</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;Hi again&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Another novel problem.&amp;nbsp; I have 28 fruit on a tree, numbered from 1 to 28, all the same age but different weights.&amp;nbsp; I gave them all a treatment and measured the result.&amp;nbsp; Two weeks later I weighed them all again and gave them all a second treatment.&amp;nbsp; At the time of the second treatment the smaller fruit had grown to the size that the larger fruit were at the first treatment.&amp;nbsp; The larger fruit from the first treatment were, by then, even larger.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;My outcome is ternary; no effect, some effect, or big effect.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;My model is: Outcome = Weight Age&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The data are matched pairs in a simple test-retest experiment.&amp;nbsp; My theory is that if weight was the main factor then the heavier fruit would show a larger effect regardless of age.&amp;nbsp; But, if age was important then the second treatment would show an overall bigger effect than the first treatment.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;But, when I try to include the strata statement &lt;SPAN style="background: white; color: black; line-height: 115%; font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: 10pt;"&gt;Strata = ID;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I get the message: &lt;SPAN style="font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'; font-size: 12pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-language: EN-AU;"&gt;NRRIDG needs more than 25 iterations or 250 function calls.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Now, if I take the strata statement out and run the model as a straight forward set of 56 independant data then age is significant and weight is not.&amp;nbsp; I would expect that if I can match the pairs somehow then this finding will become even more statistically significant.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;What are my options - all suggestions welcome.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I was thinking maybe use a different optimisation method?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Peter (Brest, France)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2014 10:23:07 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>PeterBuzzacott</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2014-09-12T10:23:07Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Stratified cummulative logistic regression II</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Stratified-cummulative-logistic-regression-II/m-p/142169#M7404</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;I would just change the maxiter value.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Add an NLOPTIONS statement:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;nloptions maxiter=200;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;This will allow the optimization procedure to keep going.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Steve Denham&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2014 16:59:19 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>SteveDenham</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2014-09-12T16:59:19Z</dc:date>
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