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    <title>topic PROC Causalmed- Natural Indirect Effect value inverted in Statistical Procedures</title>
    <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/PROC-Causalmed-Natural-Indirect-Effect-value-inverted/m-p/952651#M47661</link>
    <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi all!&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I am utilizing PROC CAUSALMED to assess the role of vascular access modality (Central venous catheter against all other access types) on survival of one-year post dialysis. I am using SAS 9.4 on desktop&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Here are the levels which I've used in PROC Causalmed:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Binary categorical exposure (Predialysis nephrology care (Y/N))&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Binary categorical Mediator (Central venous catheter vs all else)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Binary categorical Outcome (Survival of one year post-dialysis (Y/N))&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The model suggested is predialysis care -&amp;gt; access type -&amp;gt; odds of one-year survival&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The individual associations have significant associations and directionality, as used within PROC LOGISTIC, to prove the individual associations.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Predialysis Care (Y) is associated with better odds of survival compared to no predialysis care.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Predialysis care (Y) is associated with lower central venous catheter use compared to no predialysis care.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Central&amp;nbsp; venous catheter is associated with lower odds of survival compared to all other vascular access modalities.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Here is the sample code I am using to produce this output:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;PROC CAUSALMED DATA = DF order = freq rorder = internal;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;CLASS one_yr_mort vasbin nephcarebin;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;MODEL one_yr_mort = nephcarebin vasbin nephcarebin*vasbin;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;MEDIATOR vasbin = nephcarebin;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;run;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;From this, I get a general output such as this:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Odds Ratio Total Effect : 1.7928&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Odds Ratio Natural Direct Effect: 1.3560&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Odds Ratio Natural Indirect Effect: 1.3221&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;...&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;% Mediated: 55.0955&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;To my understanding,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;This output is suggesting that&amp;nbsp;&lt;STRONG&gt;compared to no nephrology care, individuals with predialysis nephrology care have a 79% greater odds of survival through one year. Directly, there is ~35% greater odds, and indirectly, by the disparate influence of all other vascular access types compared to Central venous catheter, nephrology care has a survival advantage of 32%. This leads to the product total effect, of which 55% of the variation is mediated by all other vascular modalities compared to CVC.&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I am interested in describing&amp;nbsp;&lt;STRONG&gt;to what extent central venous catheter, compared to all other modalities, is detrimental to survival outcome for this population.&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;What should I change to be able to be able to elucidate a potential detrimental effect of central venous catheter on survival&lt;/STRONG&gt; in the context of the exposure being predialysis care?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Sincere thanks,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Grant&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Thu, 05 Dec 2024 16:42:28 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>G_Scheiffele</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2024-12-05T16:42:28Z</dc:date>
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      <title>PROC Causalmed- Natural Indirect Effect value inverted</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/PROC-Causalmed-Natural-Indirect-Effect-value-inverted/m-p/952651#M47661</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi all!&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I am utilizing PROC CAUSALMED to assess the role of vascular access modality (Central venous catheter against all other access types) on survival of one-year post dialysis. I am using SAS 9.4 on desktop&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Here are the levels which I've used in PROC Causalmed:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Binary categorical exposure (Predialysis nephrology care (Y/N))&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Binary categorical Mediator (Central venous catheter vs all else)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Binary categorical Outcome (Survival of one year post-dialysis (Y/N))&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The model suggested is predialysis care -&amp;gt; access type -&amp;gt; odds of one-year survival&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The individual associations have significant associations and directionality, as used within PROC LOGISTIC, to prove the individual associations.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Predialysis Care (Y) is associated with better odds of survival compared to no predialysis care.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Predialysis care (Y) is associated with lower central venous catheter use compared to no predialysis care.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Central&amp;nbsp; venous catheter is associated with lower odds of survival compared to all other vascular access modalities.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Here is the sample code I am using to produce this output:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;PROC CAUSALMED DATA = DF order = freq rorder = internal;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;CLASS one_yr_mort vasbin nephcarebin;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;MODEL one_yr_mort = nephcarebin vasbin nephcarebin*vasbin;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;MEDIATOR vasbin = nephcarebin;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;run;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;From this, I get a general output such as this:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Odds Ratio Total Effect : 1.7928&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Odds Ratio Natural Direct Effect: 1.3560&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Odds Ratio Natural Indirect Effect: 1.3221&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;...&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;% Mediated: 55.0955&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;To my understanding,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;This output is suggesting that&amp;nbsp;&lt;STRONG&gt;compared to no nephrology care, individuals with predialysis nephrology care have a 79% greater odds of survival through one year. Directly, there is ~35% greater odds, and indirectly, by the disparate influence of all other vascular access types compared to Central venous catheter, nephrology care has a survival advantage of 32%. This leads to the product total effect, of which 55% of the variation is mediated by all other vascular modalities compared to CVC.&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I am interested in describing&amp;nbsp;&lt;STRONG&gt;to what extent central venous catheter, compared to all other modalities, is detrimental to survival outcome for this population.&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;What should I change to be able to be able to elucidate a potential detrimental effect of central venous catheter on survival&lt;/STRONG&gt; in the context of the exposure being predialysis care?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Sincere thanks,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Grant&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 05 Dec 2024 16:42:28 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>G_Scheiffele</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2024-12-05T16:42:28Z</dc:date>
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