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    <title>topic Re: How do I get a block diagonal covariance matrix, V,  in SAS PROC MIXED or PROC GLIMMIX? in Statistical Procedures</title>
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    <description>&lt;P&gt;Dup of&amp;nbsp;&lt;A href="https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/How-do-i-get-a-block-diagonal-covariance-matrix-V-in-SAS-Proc/td-p/936174" target="_blank"&gt;Solved: How do i get a block diagonal covariance matrix, V, in SAS Proc Mixed ... - SAS Support Communities&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Fri, 19 Jul 2024 12:52:40 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>Rick_SAS</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2024-07-19T12:52:40Z</dc:date>
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      <title>How do I get a block diagonal covariance matrix, V,  in SAS PROC MIXED or PROC GLIMMIX?</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/How-do-I-get-a-block-diagonal-covariance-matrix-V-in-SAS-PROC/m-p/936161#M46692</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi friends,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I am trying to estimate a linear mixed model in SAS using prc mixed or proc glimmix. I have 3 categorical factors A, B and C where factor C is assumed random, and A,B are fixed. My data set looks like this:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="Lyson_0-1721308307376.png" style="width: 400px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://communities.sas.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/98481i3CDD8E50FCECDCCC/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="Lyson_0-1721308307376.png" alt="Lyson_0-1721308307376.png" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;The&amp;nbsp; syntaxes that I am exploring are:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;a) PROC GLIMMIX&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;PRE&gt;&lt;CODE class=" language-sas"&gt;proc glimmix data=FFRgroup outdesign=XZ;;
class factorA factorB factorC  groupA groupB groupC rep;
model yield= groupA | groupB / ddfm=satterthwaite;
random factorC factorA*factorC  factorB*factorC factorA*factorB*factorC /  V;
lsmeans groupA | groupB   / pdiff cl alpha=0.05 ;
Title "FFR Model";
run;&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;/PRE&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;whch displays the following V matrix,&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="Lyson_2-1721307720866.png" style="width: 400px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://communities.sas.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/98479i285FCAD0455F99E6/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="Lyson_2-1721307720866.png" alt="Lyson_2-1721307720866.png" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;b) PROC&amp;nbsp; MIXED:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;PRE&gt;&lt;CODE class=" language-sas"&gt;proc mixed data=FFRgroup ;
class factorA factorB factorC  groupA groupB groupC rep;
model yield= groupA | groupB / ddfm=satterthwaite;
random factorC factorA*factorC  factorB*factorC factorA*factorB*factorC /  V;
lsmeans groupA | groupB   / pdiff cl alpha=0.05 ;
Title "FFR Model";
run;&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;/PRE&gt;
&lt;P&gt;displays the following V matrix,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="Lyson_3-1721307827866.png" style="width: 400px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://communities.sas.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/98480iBD87F0F160C90E6C/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="Lyson_3-1721307827866.png" alt="Lyson_3-1721307827866.png" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;What could be the problem with these two approaches not producing the covariance structure that aligns with the model in question (block diagonal)?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Thank you in advance for your assistance folks.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 18 Jul 2024 13:09:24 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Lyson</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2024-07-18T13:09:24Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: How do I get a block diagonal covariance matrix, V,  in SAS PROC MIXED or PROC GLIMMIX?</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/How-do-I-get-a-block-diagonal-covariance-matrix-V-in-SAS-PROC/m-p/936345#M46693</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Dup of&amp;nbsp;&lt;A href="https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/How-do-i-get-a-block-diagonal-covariance-matrix-V-in-SAS-Proc/td-p/936174" target="_blank"&gt;Solved: How do i get a block diagonal covariance matrix, V, in SAS Proc Mixed ... - SAS Support Communities&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 19 Jul 2024 12:52:40 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Rick_SAS</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2024-07-19T12:52:40Z</dc:date>
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