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    <title>topic Re: GLIMMIX for analysis of visual scoring data (ordinal) in Statistical Procedures</title>
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    <description>&lt;P&gt;Some remarks :&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;LI&gt;The combination of DIST=MULTINOMIAL and LINK=CUMLOGIT requests the proportional odds model. You should check that proportional odds assumption.&lt;BR /&gt;Like here:&lt;BR /&gt;Usage Note&lt;SPAN&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;I&gt;22954:&lt;SPAN&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/I&gt;The PROC LOGISTIC &lt;STRONG&gt;proportional odds test&lt;/STRONG&gt; and fitting a partial proportional odds model&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="https://support.sas.com/kb/22/954.html" target="_blank"&gt;https://support.sas.com/kb/22/954.html&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;You don't need to store your model in an item store for restoring in PROC PLM (for&amp;nbsp;&lt;SPAN&gt;Post-fitting statistical analyses on Linear Models). You can put the LSMEANS statement directly in PROC GLIMMIX.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;For modelling continuous proportions (not sure this is appropriate for your use case), see here:&lt;BR /&gt;Usage Note 57480: Modeling continuous proportions: Normal and Beta Regression Models&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="https://support.sas.com/kb/57/480.html" target="_blank"&gt;https://support.sas.com/kb/57/480.html&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/LI&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Koen&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2024 21:57:48 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>sbxkoenk</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2024-01-18T21:57:48Z</dc:date>
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      <title>GLIMMIX for analysis of visual scoring data (ordinal)</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/GLIMMIX-for-analysis-of-visual-scoring-data-ordinal/m-p/911993#M45275</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi all,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I have a very introductory understanding of SAS, but it is widely used in my department. I am working on a rapeseed pod shatter evaluation trial where pod shatter tolerance of 194 genotypes is being studied.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The design is RCBD, each genotype is replicated 3 times (rep=block) and there are 4 siteyears (environments). Fixed variables include genotype and siteyear, the random variable is block nested in siteyear. Shatter tolerance is my dependent variable, where a rating of 1-9 is approximated based on visual observation in the field.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;1 = 10% or &amp;lt; pods intact&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;2 = 20% pods intact&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;3 = 30% pods intact&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;4 = 40% pods intact&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;5 = 50% pods intact&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;6 = 60% pods intact&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;7 = 70% pods intact&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;8 = 80% pods intact&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;9 = 90% or &amp;gt; pods intact&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I have been instructed to analyse the data using PROC GLIMMIX with a multinomial distribution and cumulative logit link. An alternative method has been suggested using the beta distribution and converting my ratings into proportions – although I’m not sure that is correct since the ratings are an estimate of percentage not an actual measurement. I am interested in the statistical significance of genotype, siteyear and genotype*siteyear, as well as performing a multiple comparison test (which I believe can be done with LSMEANS?).&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Is GLIMMIX the best option for analysing this type of ordinal data? If anyone could provide me with some insight, it would be much appreciated. I have attached the code I have been using and a sample of my data. Thank you!&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;PRE&gt;&lt;CODE class=""&gt;proc Glimmix data=shatter method=laplace;
class siteyear genotype block;  
model sh_tol = genotype|siteyear / dist=mult link=cumlogit;
random block(siteyear);
store glimres;
covtest / wald; 
run;

proc plm restore=glimres;
lsmeans genotype siteyear/ ilink pdiff adjust=bon;   
ods output diffs=ppp lsmeans=mmm;
ods listing exclude diffs lsmeans;
run;&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;/PRE&gt;&lt;P&gt;Sample data&lt;/P&gt;&lt;PRE&gt;&lt;CODE class=""&gt;data shatter;
input siteyear$ block genotype sh_tol; 
cards;
siteyear	block	genotype	sh_tol
22_SH1_CM	1	10	6
22_SH1_CM	2	10	5
22_SH1_CM	3	10	3
22_SH1_CM	1	11	5
22_SH1_CM	2	11	6
22_SH1_CM	3	11	6
22_SH1_CM	1	12	4
22_SH1_CM	2	12	3
22_SH1_CM	3	12	3
22_SH1_PT	1	10	1
22_SH1_PT	2	10	4
22_SH1_PT	3	10	1
22_SH1_PT	1	11	2
22_SH1_PT	2	11	4
22_SH1_PT	3	11	3
22_SH1_PT	1	12	2
22_SH1_PT	2	12	1
22_SH1_PT	3	12	1
23_SH1_CM	1	10	7
23_SH1_CM	2	10	7
23_SH1_CM	3	10	3
23_SH1_CM	1	11	4
23_SH1_CM	2	11	2
23_SH1_CM	3	11	3
23_SH1_CM	1	12	7
23_SH1_CM	2	12	6
23_SH1_CM	3	12	6
23_SH1_PT	1	10	8
23_SH1_PT	2	10	6
23_SH1_PT	3	10	7
23_SH1_PT	1	11	5
23_SH1_PT	2	11	2
23_SH1_PT	3	11	4
23_SH1_PT	1	12	6
23_SH1_PT	2	12	4
23_SH1_PT	3	12	5&lt;BR /&gt;;;;;&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;/PRE&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2024 17:28:38 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/GLIMMIX-for-analysis-of-visual-scoring-data-ordinal/m-p/911993#M45275</guid>
      <dc:creator>lrae86</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2024-01-18T17:28:38Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: GLIMMIX for analysis of visual scoring data (ordinal)</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/GLIMMIX-for-analysis-of-visual-scoring-data-ordinal/m-p/912029#M45276</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Some remarks :&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;UL class="lia-list-style-type-square"&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;The combination of DIST=MULTINOMIAL and LINK=CUMLOGIT requests the proportional odds model. You should check that proportional odds assumption.&lt;BR /&gt;Like here:&lt;BR /&gt;Usage Note&lt;SPAN&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;I&gt;22954:&lt;SPAN&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/I&gt;The PROC LOGISTIC &lt;STRONG&gt;proportional odds test&lt;/STRONG&gt; and fitting a partial proportional odds model&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="https://support.sas.com/kb/22/954.html" target="_blank"&gt;https://support.sas.com/kb/22/954.html&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;You don't need to store your model in an item store for restoring in PROC PLM (for&amp;nbsp;&lt;SPAN&gt;Post-fitting statistical analyses on Linear Models). You can put the LSMEANS statement directly in PROC GLIMMIX.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;For modelling continuous proportions (not sure this is appropriate for your use case), see here:&lt;BR /&gt;Usage Note 57480: Modeling continuous proportions: Normal and Beta Regression Models&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="https://support.sas.com/kb/57/480.html" target="_blank"&gt;https://support.sas.com/kb/57/480.html&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;/UL&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Koen&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2024 21:57:48 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/GLIMMIX-for-analysis-of-visual-scoring-data-ordinal/m-p/912029#M45276</guid>
      <dc:creator>sbxkoenk</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2024-01-18T21:57:48Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: GLIMMIX for analysis of visual scoring data (ordinal)</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/GLIMMIX-for-analysis-of-visual-scoring-data-ordinal/m-p/912031#M45277</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;By the way ... I have moved tis topic to "Statistical Procedures" - board under Analytics header.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Home &amp;gt; Analytics &amp;gt; &lt;STRONG&gt;Stat&lt;/STRONG&gt; Procs&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;is a better place for this question than&lt;BR /&gt;Home &amp;gt; Programming &amp;gt; SAS Procs.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Koen&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2024 22:03:44 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/GLIMMIX-for-analysis-of-visual-scoring-data-ordinal/m-p/912031#M45277</guid>
      <dc:creator>sbxkoenk</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2024-01-18T22:03:44Z</dc:date>
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