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    <title>topic Re: Power Estimate with Standard Deviation Percentage Difference in Statistical Procedures</title>
    <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Power-Estimate-with-Standard-Deviation-Percentage-Difference/m-p/758920#M36956</link>
    <description>&lt;P&gt;Hello &lt;a href="https://communities.sas.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/244926"&gt;@mekono&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I have never really used PROC POWER, but what SAS-version are you using?&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;SAS 9.4 M7 (SAS/STAT 15.2) has a&amp;nbsp;Power and Sample Size Application. Also available in earlier versions of SAS 9.4, I believe.&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;DIV id="statug.clientpss.clientpss" class="aa-chapter"&gt;
&lt;P class="xisDoc-paragraph"&gt;The functionality of the &lt;FONT&gt;Power&lt;/FONT&gt; &lt;FONT&gt;and&lt;/FONT&gt; &lt;FONT&gt;Sample&lt;/FONT&gt; &lt;FONT&gt;Size&lt;/FONT&gt; &lt;FONT&gt;application&lt;/FONT&gt; has been replaced by tasks in SAS Studio.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class="xisDoc-paragraph"&gt;So, if you use SAS VIYA, there are tasks for this.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class="xisDoc-paragraph"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class="xisDoc-paragraph"&gt;Maybe, by using an application or tasks,&amp;nbsp;&lt;SPAN&gt;your doubts (about the correct wording = coding) will vanish??&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class="xisDoc-paragraph"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class="xisDoc-paragraph"&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Good luck,&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class="xisDoc-paragraph"&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Koen&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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    <pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2021 22:59:46 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>sbxkoenk</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2021-08-02T22:59:46Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Power Estimate with Standard Deviation Percentage Difference</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Power-Estimate-with-Standard-Deviation-Percentage-Difference/m-p/758919#M36955</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I want to estimate the power associated with various treatment effects between two groups. In group 1 there are 145 people and group 2 has 225 people. Additionally, I expect the average score of group 1 to be 31% and group 2 41%.&amp;nbsp; Based on previous studies, we expect a 5% standard deviation in each cohort. How can I incorporate 5% sd into my power estimate?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Originally, I estimated power this way:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;PRE&gt;&lt;CODE class=" language-sas"&gt;proc power;
twosamplemeans test=diff
groupmeans = 0.31 | .41
stddev = 0.05
groupns= (145 225)
power = .;
run;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;/PRE&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Is this correct or should I take another approach?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2021 22:43:42 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Power-Estimate-with-Standard-Deviation-Percentage-Difference/m-p/758919#M36955</guid>
      <dc:creator>mekono</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-08-02T22:43:42Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Power Estimate with Standard Deviation Percentage Difference</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Power-Estimate-with-Standard-Deviation-Percentage-Difference/m-p/758920#M36956</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hello &lt;a href="https://communities.sas.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/244926"&gt;@mekono&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I have never really used PROC POWER, but what SAS-version are you using?&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;SAS 9.4 M7 (SAS/STAT 15.2) has a&amp;nbsp;Power and Sample Size Application. Also available in earlier versions of SAS 9.4, I believe.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;DIV class="xisDoc-refProc"&gt;
&lt;DIV id="statug.clientpss.clientpss" class="aa-chapter"&gt;
&lt;P class="xisDoc-paragraph"&gt;The functionality of the &lt;FONT&gt;Power&lt;/FONT&gt; &lt;FONT&gt;and&lt;/FONT&gt; &lt;FONT&gt;Sample&lt;/FONT&gt; &lt;FONT&gt;Size&lt;/FONT&gt; &lt;FONT&gt;application&lt;/FONT&gt; has been replaced by tasks in SAS Studio.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class="xisDoc-paragraph"&gt;So, if you use SAS VIYA, there are tasks for this.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class="xisDoc-paragraph"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class="xisDoc-paragraph"&gt;Maybe, by using an application or tasks,&amp;nbsp;&lt;SPAN&gt;your doubts (about the correct wording = coding) will vanish??&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class="xisDoc-paragraph"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class="xisDoc-paragraph"&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Good luck,&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P class="xisDoc-paragraph"&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Koen&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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      <pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2021 22:59:46 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Power-Estimate-with-Standard-Deviation-Percentage-Difference/m-p/758920#M36956</guid>
      <dc:creator>sbxkoenk</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-08-02T22:59:46Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Power Estimate with Standard Deviation Percentage Difference</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Power-Estimate-with-Standard-Deviation-Percentage-Difference/m-p/758922#M36957</link>
      <description>I have SAS 9.4&lt;BR /&gt;I’ve been using proc power to estimate power/sample size in the past.&lt;BR /&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2021 23:08:17 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Power-Estimate-with-Standard-Deviation-Percentage-Difference/m-p/758922#M36957</guid>
      <dc:creator>mekono</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-08-02T23:08:17Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Power Estimate with Standard Deviation Percentage Difference</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Power-Estimate-with-Standard-Deviation-Percentage-Difference/m-p/759014#M36962</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Assuming 5% is in the unit of average score (not 5% of the mean, for example), your code looks reasonable to me.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2021 13:13:21 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Power-Estimate-with-Standard-Deviation-Percentage-Difference/m-p/759014#M36962</guid>
      <dc:creator>jiltao</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-08-03T13:13:21Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Power Estimate with Standard Deviation Percentage Difference</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Power-Estimate-with-Standard-Deviation-Percentage-Difference/m-p/759073#M36964</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;If you are concerned about the power estimate being &amp;gt;0.999, consider that your mean estimates differ by exactly 2 standard deviations.&amp;nbsp; However they differ by 18.7 * pooled standard error.&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; If you plug all of this into formulas in a DATA step, where you use the null difference (=0) as the true difference for calculating the noncentrality parameter for the t distribution, you'll see this is correct.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;SteveDenham&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;PS.&amp;nbsp; The noncentral parameter for a null difference of zero is, itself, zero.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2021 16:40:31 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Power-Estimate-with-Standard-Deviation-Percentage-Difference/m-p/759073#M36964</guid>
      <dc:creator>SteveDenham</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2021-08-03T16:40:31Z</dc:date>
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