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    <title>topic Re: how does phreg estimate cumulative hazard? in Statistical Procedures</title>
    <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/how-does-phreg-estimate-cumulative-hazard/m-p/620437#M29891</link>
    <description>&lt;P&gt;excellent, thanks both. I originally looked at that documentation but checked the "overview" section for details. I must have been rushed and didn't see "details". cheers&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2020 06:35:34 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>pau13rown</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2020-01-28T06:35:34Z</dc:date>
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      <title>how does phreg estimate cumulative hazard?</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/how-does-phreg-estimate-cumulative-hazard/m-p/620188#M29864</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;i'd like to see some explanation and equations for this but the sas manual isn't clear. I know lifetest uses the &lt;SPAN class="fontstyle0"&gt;Nelson-Aalen estimate, but i'm unsure about phreg&lt;/SPAN&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Regarding phreg and estimating S(t)&amp;nbsp;&lt;A href="https://www.sas.com/content/dam/SAS/support/en/sas-global-forum-proceedings/2018/2910-2018.pdf" target="_self"&gt;the manual&lt;/A&gt; says: "This method exponentiates the negative empirical cumulative hazard function to compute the survival function estimates. ....(Allison 2010). The product limit method is the default".&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;thus it's an empirical estimate? but how are the covariates accounted for? I'd like to see some equations or a reference to persuade myself. The Allison reference is a sas book and doesn't give the detail&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;there was a useful comment on &lt;A href="https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Estimate-the-baseline-hazard-ratio-and-assess-predictive/td-p/177517" target="_self"&gt;sas communities&lt;/A&gt;&amp;nbsp;where someone said:&amp;nbsp;"You can only get the cumulated hazard function from phreg..... In the Cox-model the maximum-likelihood estimate of the cumulated hazard function is a step function ..." But without an estimate of the baseline hazard (which cox is not concerned with), how contrive the cumulative hazard for a set of covariates? thanks&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;[edit: just to be clear: i know how to obtain cumulative hazard using phreg, i use a baseline statement etc, i just dont know exactly what it's doing]&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 27 Jan 2020 14:57:13 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>pau13rown</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2020-01-27T14:57:13Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: how does phreg estimate cumulative hazard?</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/how-does-phreg-estimate-cumulative-hazard/m-p/620197#M29865</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Just to be clear, the "manual" that you link to are course notes, not the documentation. Have you looked at the "Details" chapter of the PHREG documentation? The section &lt;A href="https://go.documentation.sas.com/?docsetId=statug&amp;amp;docsetTarget=statug_phreg_details65.htm&amp;amp;docsetVersion=15.1&amp;amp;locale=en" target="_self"&gt;"Survivor Function Estimates"&lt;/A&gt; gives the formulas for the various estimators, including the Breslow estimator (which uses the empirical cumulative hazard function) and the product-limit estimator.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:34:01 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Rick_SAS</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2020-01-27T15:34:01Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: how does phreg estimate cumulative hazard?</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/how-does-phreg-estimate-cumulative-hazard/m-p/620205#M29866</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hello&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://communities.sas.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/183379"&gt;@pau13rown&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;a href="https://communities.sas.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/13684"&gt;@Rick_SAS&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;was faster ...&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I confirm:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;What you refer to as "the manual" are "Course Notes" which I have never seen before. The first place where I would search for those mathematical details is the "Details" section of the procedure in question, in this case the subsection &lt;A href="https://documentation.sas.com/?docsetId=statug&amp;amp;docsetTarget=statug_phreg_details65.htm&amp;amp;docsetVersion=15.1&amp;amp;locale=en" target="_blank" rel="noopener"&gt;Survivor Function Estimators&lt;/A&gt;&amp;nbsp;of the &lt;A href="https://documentation.sas.com/?docsetId=statug&amp;amp;docsetVersion=15.1&amp;amp;docsetTarget=statug_phreg_details.htm&amp;amp;locale=en" target="_blank" rel="noopener"&gt;PROC PHREG Details&lt;/A&gt;.&amp;nbsp;(This is for the latest software version, SAS/STAT 15.1. You may want to use one of the older versions depending on your SAS/STAT version.)&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;This is much more detailed and heavy on formulas than the Course Notes, whose formula for S(t, X) can be found among others in subsection "Product-Limit Estimator." The sentence you quoted seems to refer to the&amp;nbsp;"Fleming-Harrington Estimator" (the preceding subsection in the documentation). The default, however, is the "Breslow Estimator" (first subsection) -- contrary to what is stated in the Course Notes (saying that "[t]he product limit method is the default.")! Anyway, all flavors of&amp;nbsp;&lt;SPAN&gt;cumulative hazard function estimators can be found here (see definitions of Lambda "hat" terms) as far as I see. I think last year I answered a question in this forum where I needed to manually calculate something applying some of the formulas on this page to input data -- and I was able to confirm the PROC PHREG output.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Edit: Here's last year's post which I mentioned: &lt;A href="https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Calculation-of-estimates-using-contrast-statement-and-the/m-p/565705#M27880" target="_blank" rel="noopener"&gt;Re: Calculation of estimates using contrast statement, and the estimated survival for proc phreg&lt;/A&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 27 Jan 2020 16:01:55 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/how-does-phreg-estimate-cumulative-hazard/m-p/620205#M29866</guid>
      <dc:creator>FreelanceReinh</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2020-01-27T16:01:55Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: how does phreg estimate cumulative hazard?</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/how-does-phreg-estimate-cumulative-hazard/m-p/620437#M29891</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;excellent, thanks both. I originally looked at that documentation but checked the "overview" section for details. I must have been rushed and didn't see "details". cheers&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 28 Jan 2020 06:35:34 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/how-does-phreg-estimate-cumulative-hazard/m-p/620437#M29891</guid>
      <dc:creator>pau13rown</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2020-01-28T06:35:34Z</dc:date>
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