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    <title>topic Re: PROC STDRATE lowerCL missing when direct standardization and gamma CL in Statistical Procedures</title>
    <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/PROC-STDRATE-lowerCL-missing-when-direct-standardization-and/m-p/619158#M29808</link>
    <description>&lt;P&gt;For some data, the gamma-based confidence limits cannot be derived. In these cases a limit might be shown as missing. There should be a message about this in the SAS log. You might consider using a different distribution in the CL= option.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2020 14:10:38 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>StatDave</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2020-01-22T14:10:38Z</dc:date>
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      <title>PROC STDRATE lowerCL missing when direct standardization and gamma CL</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/PROC-STDRATE-lowerCL-missing-when-direct-standardization-and/m-p/618769#M29787</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hello Community,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I have an odd problem, which I cannot get my head around. I'm calculating standardized rates using PROC STDRATE (see code below). whenever I have a lot of observed events the lower confidence limit is not reported (a missing value is reproted). The problem occurs only:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;UL&gt;&lt;LI&gt;&amp;nbsp;when the number of observed events is greater than 110'000,&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;LI&gt;&amp;nbsp;METHOD = DIRECT and CL=GAMMA.&lt;/LI&gt;&lt;/UL&gt;&lt;P&gt;Anny suggestions why this problem occurs and how it can be handled?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thanks a lot in advance and a nice day to everyone!&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Kind regards,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Reto&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;P.S.: Because the problem is connectes to the number of observed events, I cannot provide some sample data.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;PRE&gt;&lt;CODE class=" language-sas"&gt;ods exclude all;
proc stdrate 
data=work.ms_akut
refdata=work.resp 
     method=direct 
     cl=gamma 
     stat=rate(mult=1000)
;
population 
     event=obs_type 
     total=pop 
;
reference 
     total=pop_resp
;
strata sex age_class ;
by canton   
ods output StdRate=output_stdrate;
run;
ods exclude none;&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;/PRE&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 21 Jan 2020 06:08:06 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/PROC-STDRATE-lowerCL-missing-when-direct-standardization-and/m-p/618769#M29787</guid>
      <dc:creator>Master_DiSASter</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2020-01-21T06:08:06Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: PROC STDRATE lowerCL missing when direct standardization and gamma CL</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/PROC-STDRATE-lowerCL-missing-when-direct-standardization-and/m-p/619158#M29808</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;For some data, the gamma-based confidence limits cannot be derived. In these cases a limit might be shown as missing. There should be a message about this in the SAS log. You might consider using a different distribution in the CL= option.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2020 14:10:38 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/PROC-STDRATE-lowerCL-missing-when-direct-standardization-and/m-p/619158#M29808</guid>
      <dc:creator>StatDave</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2020-01-22T14:10:38Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: PROC STDRATE lowerCL missing when direct standardization and gamma CL</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/PROC-STDRATE-lowerCL-missing-when-direct-standardization-and/m-p/619175#M29813</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Thanks a lot for your response.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Could you give more insight why "&lt;SPAN style="display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: #ffffff; color: #333333; font-family: 'HelevticaNeue-light','Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 150%; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"&gt;gamma-based confidence limits cannot be derived" for some data? Is there a mathematical or a convergence problem? Is there a connection to the number of observed events?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: #ffffff; color: #333333; font-family: 'HelevticaNeue-light','Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 150%; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"&gt;With reference to recent literature I would prefer to us the gamma method in connection with directly standardized rates. See for example:&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;A href="https://pophealthmetrics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12963-018-0177-1" target="_self"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: #ffffff; color: #333333; font-family: 'HelevticaNeue-light','Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 150%; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"&gt;&lt;FONT&gt;https://pophealthmetrics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12963-018-0177-1&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: #ffffff; color: #333333; font-family: 'HelevticaNeue-light','Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 150%; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: #ffffff; color: #333333; font-family: 'HelevticaNeue-light','Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 150%; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"&gt;Thanks again and have a nice day,&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN style="display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: #ffffff; color: #333333; font-family: 'HelevticaNeue-light','Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 150%; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"&gt;Reto &amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 22 Jan 2020 14:51:23 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/PROC-STDRATE-lowerCL-missing-when-direct-standardization-and/m-p/619175#M29813</guid>
      <dc:creator>Master_DiSASter</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2020-01-22T14:51:23Z</dc:date>
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