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    <title>topic Re: IRT multigroup SAS example in Statistical Procedures</title>
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    <description>&lt;P&gt;Hello&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://communities.sas.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/16557"&gt;@Kastchei&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Let me first say that I'm not familiar with this particular type of analyses and that I've never used PROC IRT.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;In the documentation of the &lt;A href="https://documentation.sas.com/?docsetId=statug&amp;amp;docsetTarget=statug_irt_details22.htm&amp;amp;docsetVersion=15.1&amp;amp;locale=en" target="_blank" rel="noopener"&gt;OUTMODEL= data set&lt;/A&gt; it says that "[f]&lt;SPAN&gt;or computational convenience, the intercept parameters rather than the threshold (or difficulty) parameters are saved in the OUTMODEL= data set." So, intercept and difficulty parameters are &lt;EM&gt;not&lt;/EM&gt; the same, but the wording suggests that there's a fairly close relationship between them. Indeed, in section "&lt;A href="https://documentation.sas.com/?docsetId=statug&amp;amp;docsetTarget=statug_irt_details01.htm&amp;amp;docsetVersion=15.1&amp;amp;locale=en#statug.irt.irtordinalmodels" target="_blank" rel="noopener"&gt;Models for Ordinal Response Items&lt;/A&gt;" (under "Details") you find the formula &lt;FONT size="5"&gt;b&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT size="2"&gt;j,k&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT size="5"&gt;=&lt;FONT face="symbol"&gt;a&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT size="2"&gt;j,k&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT size="5"&gt;/&lt;FONT face="symbol"&gt;l&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT size="2"&gt;j&lt;/FONT&gt; (where &lt;FONT size="5"&gt;b&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT size="2"&gt;j,k&lt;/FONT&gt; is the threshold parameter and &lt;FONT face="symbol" size="5"&gt;l&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT size="2"&gt;j&lt;/FONT&gt; the slope parameter) and it says that "&lt;FONT size="5"&gt;−&lt;FONT face="symbol"&gt;a&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT size="2"&gt;j,k&lt;/FONT&gt; is often called the intercept parameter." This suggests that in&amp;nbsp;&lt;A class="ng-scope" tabindex="0" href="http://documentation.sas.com/?docsetId=statug&amp;amp;docsetTarget=statug_irt_examples03.htm&amp;amp;docsetVersion=15.1&amp;amp;locale=en#statug.irt.irt_ex3_pest" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" data-docset-id="statug" data-docset-version="15.1" data-original-href="statug_irt_examples03.htm#statug.irt.irt_ex3_pest"&gt;Output 69.3.3&lt;/A&gt;&amp;nbsp;the product of Difficulty (i.e. threshold) and Slope, times −1, should yield the intercept parameter. This is indeed confirmed by the values in the "Parameter Estimates" table: For example (for "item1"), −(0.24624*1.89146)=&lt;STRONG&gt;−0.46575&lt;/STRONG&gt;... in group 1 and −(0.32086*1.45159)=&lt;STRONG&gt;−0.46575&lt;/STRONG&gt;... in group 2. When you specify the OUTMODEL= option, the resulting dataset contains the intercept parameter in variable _EST_ where _SUBTYP_='INTERCEPT' and for item1 it is &lt;STRONG&gt;−0.46575&lt;/STRONG&gt;... (in both groups, _GPNUM_=0 and _GPNUM_=1), as it should be. The corresponding values for item2, item3 and item4, respectively, agree similarly.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Mon, 09 Sep 2019 21:23:22 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>FreelanceReinh</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2019-09-09T21:23:22Z</dc:date>
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      <title>IRT multigroup SAS example</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/IRT-multigroup-SAS-example/m-p/587337#M28739</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I'm trying to learn IRT, and I'm looking at the following example from the SAS documentation.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;A href="http://documentation.sas.com/?docsetId=statug&amp;amp;docsetTarget=statug_irt_examples03.htm&amp;amp;docsetVersion=15.1&amp;amp;locale=en"&gt;http://documentation.sas.com/?docsetId=statug&amp;amp;docsetTarget=statug_irt_examples03.htm&amp;amp;docsetVersion=15.1&amp;amp;locale=en&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;The last bit of text, preceding the last two tables, says:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;A class="ng-scope" tabindex="0" href="http://documentation.sas.com/?docsetId=statug&amp;amp;docsetTarget=statug_irt_examples03.htm&amp;amp;docsetVersion=15.1&amp;amp;locale=en#statug.irt.irt_ex3_pest" data-docset-id="statug" data-docset-version="15.1" data-original-href="statug_irt_examples03.htm#statug.irt.irt_ex3_pest"&gt;"Output 69.3.3&lt;/A&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;&amp;nbsp;includes "Item Parameter Estimates" tables for both groups. You can see that the intercept parameters for&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;CODE class="aa-varname"&gt;item1&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;&amp;nbsp;are the same for both groups. The same applies to&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;CODE class="aa-varname"&gt;item2&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;&amp;nbsp;to&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;CODE class="aa-varname"&gt;item4&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;. You can also see that the slope parameters have the same value for&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;CODE class="aa-varname"&gt;item5&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;&amp;nbsp;to&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;CODE class="aa-varname"&gt;item8&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;&amp;nbsp;in group 1. These results suggest that equality constraints that are specified in the&amp;nbsp;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;A class="ng-scope" tabindex="0" href="http://documentation.sas.com/?docsetId=statug&amp;amp;docsetTarget=statug_irt_syntax10.htm&amp;amp;docsetVersion=15.1&amp;amp;locale=en" data-docset-id="statug" data-docset-version="15.1" data-original-href="statug_irt_syntax10.htm"&gt;EQUALITY&lt;/A&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;&amp;nbsp;statement have been fulfilled."&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;I see how the slope for group 1 items 5-8 are the same: all four are 0.96022.&amp;nbsp; However, I do not see that the intercept for item1 is the same for group 1 and group 2.&amp;nbsp; Group 1 item1 difficulty is 0.24624.&amp;nbsp; Group 2 item1 difficulty is 0.32086.&amp;nbsp; I'm assuming that difficulty is the intercept the text mentions, but clearly I'm interpreting something wrong.&amp;nbsp; Does anyone have any idea?&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Warm regards,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Michael&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Sep 2019 18:53:28 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Kastchei</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-09-09T18:53:28Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: IRT multigroup SAS example</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/IRT-multigroup-SAS-example/m-p/587368#M28740</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hello&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://communities.sas.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/16557"&gt;@Kastchei&lt;/a&gt;,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Let me first say that I'm not familiar with this particular type of analyses and that I've never used PROC IRT.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;In the documentation of the &lt;A href="https://documentation.sas.com/?docsetId=statug&amp;amp;docsetTarget=statug_irt_details22.htm&amp;amp;docsetVersion=15.1&amp;amp;locale=en" target="_blank" rel="noopener"&gt;OUTMODEL= data set&lt;/A&gt; it says that "[f]&lt;SPAN&gt;or computational convenience, the intercept parameters rather than the threshold (or difficulty) parameters are saved in the OUTMODEL= data set." So, intercept and difficulty parameters are &lt;EM&gt;not&lt;/EM&gt; the same, but the wording suggests that there's a fairly close relationship between them. Indeed, in section "&lt;A href="https://documentation.sas.com/?docsetId=statug&amp;amp;docsetTarget=statug_irt_details01.htm&amp;amp;docsetVersion=15.1&amp;amp;locale=en#statug.irt.irtordinalmodels" target="_blank" rel="noopener"&gt;Models for Ordinal Response Items&lt;/A&gt;" (under "Details") you find the formula &lt;FONT size="5"&gt;b&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT size="2"&gt;j,k&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT size="5"&gt;=&lt;FONT face="symbol"&gt;a&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT size="2"&gt;j,k&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT size="5"&gt;/&lt;FONT face="symbol"&gt;l&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT size="2"&gt;j&lt;/FONT&gt; (where &lt;FONT size="5"&gt;b&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT size="2"&gt;j,k&lt;/FONT&gt; is the threshold parameter and &lt;FONT face="symbol" size="5"&gt;l&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT size="2"&gt;j&lt;/FONT&gt; the slope parameter) and it says that "&lt;FONT size="5"&gt;−&lt;FONT face="symbol"&gt;a&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;/FONT&gt;&lt;FONT size="2"&gt;j,k&lt;/FONT&gt; is often called the intercept parameter." This suggests that in&amp;nbsp;&lt;A class="ng-scope" tabindex="0" href="http://documentation.sas.com/?docsetId=statug&amp;amp;docsetTarget=statug_irt_examples03.htm&amp;amp;docsetVersion=15.1&amp;amp;locale=en#statug.irt.irt_ex3_pest" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" data-docset-id="statug" data-docset-version="15.1" data-original-href="statug_irt_examples03.htm#statug.irt.irt_ex3_pest"&gt;Output 69.3.3&lt;/A&gt;&amp;nbsp;the product of Difficulty (i.e. threshold) and Slope, times −1, should yield the intercept parameter. This is indeed confirmed by the values in the "Parameter Estimates" table: For example (for "item1"), −(0.24624*1.89146)=&lt;STRONG&gt;−0.46575&lt;/STRONG&gt;... in group 1 and −(0.32086*1.45159)=&lt;STRONG&gt;−0.46575&lt;/STRONG&gt;... in group 2. When you specify the OUTMODEL= option, the resulting dataset contains the intercept parameter in variable _EST_ where _SUBTYP_='INTERCEPT' and for item1 it is &lt;STRONG&gt;−0.46575&lt;/STRONG&gt;... (in both groups, _GPNUM_=0 and _GPNUM_=1), as it should be. The corresponding values for item2, item3 and item4, respectively, agree similarly.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Sep 2019 21:23:22 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/IRT-multigroup-SAS-example/m-p/587368#M28740</guid>
      <dc:creator>FreelanceReinh</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-09-09T21:23:22Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: IRT multigroup SAS example</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/IRT-multigroup-SAS-example/m-p/587378#M28741</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Thank you so much!&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Sep 2019 22:00:05 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/IRT-multigroup-SAS-example/m-p/587378#M28741</guid>
      <dc:creator>Kastchei</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-09-09T22:00:05Z</dc:date>
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