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    <title>topic Re: Comparison vs a baseline in Statistical Procedures</title>
    <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Comparison-vs-a-baseline/m-p/13820#M270</link>
    <description>Not sure you can "verify" normality with 4 individuals. With 4 individuals, I doubt that whatever 4 numbers you have would fail a normality test. Just seems unlikely to me with real data. I would do the t-test, myself.&lt;BR /&gt;
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If you are worried about convergence problems in PROC MIXED because of 4 individuals (which is something I don't normally worry about), you should probably also be worried about the validity of Wilcoxon on 4 individuals; and also worry about the power of the test being very low.</description>
    <pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:10:53 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>Paige</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2009-11-10T13:10:53Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Comparison vs a baseline</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Comparison-vs-a-baseline/m-p/13817#M267</link>
      <description>Hi all:&lt;BR /&gt;
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For a number of variables, I need to compare the mean of 4 individuals vs the baseline of those same individuals. I'll have several occasions where measurements were taken, so the analysis would be applied to each occasion.&lt;BR /&gt;
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The idea is to see whether there is a change of the mean (at each occasion) with respect the baseline.&lt;BR /&gt;
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I guess a t-test is not the option. I really appreciate your help.&lt;BR /&gt;
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Kindest regards.</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:11:15 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>deleted_user</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2009-11-09T15:11:15Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Comparison vs a baseline</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Comparison-vs-a-baseline/m-p/13818#M268</link>
      <description>PROC TTEST with the PAIRED statement should work. If you want to get more fancy, you could used PROC MIXED with the REPEATED statement.</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:02:44 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Paige</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2009-11-09T16:02:44Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Comparison vs a baseline</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Comparison-vs-a-baseline/m-p/13819#M269</link>
      <description>Thanks, Paige. &lt;BR /&gt;
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I also found a book that would help me (Common statistical methods for clinical research). It seems I have to verify normality before deciding to use a one-sample t-test. If normality is not the case, I have to go with Wilcoxon signed-rank test. &lt;BR /&gt;
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My problem is that there are very few individuals, so proc mixed and repeated measures may find convergence problems (?).&lt;BR /&gt;
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Regards</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:16:09 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>deleted_user</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2009-11-09T20:16:09Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Comparison vs a baseline</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Comparison-vs-a-baseline/m-p/13820#M270</link>
      <description>Not sure you can "verify" normality with 4 individuals. With 4 individuals, I doubt that whatever 4 numbers you have would fail a normality test. Just seems unlikely to me with real data. I would do the t-test, myself.&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;BR /&gt;
If you are worried about convergence problems in PROC MIXED because of 4 individuals (which is something I don't normally worry about), you should probably also be worried about the validity of Wilcoxon on 4 individuals; and also worry about the power of the test being very low.</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:10:53 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Comparison-vs-a-baseline/m-p/13820#M270</guid>
      <dc:creator>Paige</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2009-11-10T13:10:53Z</dc:date>
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