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    <title>topic Re: Do I need to stick to mixed effect model when random effect is insignficant? in Statistical Procedures</title>
    <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Do-I-need-to-stick-to-mixed-effect-model-when-random-effect-is/m-p/518619#M26434</link>
    <description>&lt;P&gt;Thank you all for your kind help !&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2018 00:44:09 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>Lao_feng</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2018-12-05T00:44:09Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Do I need to stick to mixed effect model when random effect is insignficant?</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Do-I-need-to-stick-to-mixed-effect-model-when-random-effect-is/m-p/512480#M26190</link>
      <description>&lt;DIV class="lia-message-heading lia-component-message-header"&gt;&lt;DIV class="lia-quilt-row lia-quilt-row-standard"&gt;&lt;DIV class="lia-quilt-column lia-quilt-column-20 lia-quilt-column-left"&gt;&lt;DIV class="lia-quilt-column-alley lia-quilt-column-alley-left"&gt;&lt;DIV class="lia-message-subject"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV class="lia-message-body"&gt;&lt;DIV class="lia-message-body-content"&gt;&lt;P&gt;I am doing a logistic regression analysis with random intercept in the model to account for within cluster correlation.There are 3 levels in my data:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Level 1: individual subject&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Level 2: Family (some subjects from the same family), the variable is fam_num&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Level 3: Village, the variable clu_num&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The model included country, age, gender, education and marrital status.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;My codes are:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;proc glimmix data=work0 NOCLPRINT;&lt;BR /&gt;class&amp;nbsp; country (ref='Pakistan') clu_num&amp;nbsp; fam_num age4g(ref='40~49') gender edu2g mar2g ;&lt;BR /&gt;model comb2g(ref='0')= country age4g gender edu2g mar2g /solution Link=logit dist=binary&lt;BR /&gt;random int /sub=clu_num;&lt;BR /&gt;random int /sub=fam_num (clu_num) ;&lt;BR /&gt;COVTEST GLM;&lt;BR /&gt;run;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I used 'COVTEST GLM' to check if the outcome is independent or not within clusters. The results I got are as follow:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The P value is 0.4115, suggesting the clustering effects are not statistically significant. In such case, can I remove the random effect from model, and use standard logistic regression? Thanks&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;TABLE&gt;&lt;TBODY&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Covariance Parameter Estimates&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Cov Parm&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Subject&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Estimate&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Standard&lt;BR /&gt;Error&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Intercept&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;clu_num&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;0.01724&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;0.02710&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Intercept&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;fam_n(clu_nu)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;0.01920&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;0.1512&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;/TBODY&gt;&lt;/TABLE&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;TABLE&gt;&lt;TBODY&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Tests&amp;nbsp;of&amp;nbsp;Covariance&amp;nbsp;Parameters&lt;BR /&gt;Based&amp;nbsp;on&amp;nbsp;the&amp;nbsp;Residual&amp;nbsp;Pseudo-Likelihood&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Label&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;DF&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;-2 Res Log P-Like&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;ChiSq&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Pr&amp;nbsp;&amp;gt;&amp;nbsp;ChiSq&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Note&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;Independence&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;2&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;10507&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;0.58&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;0.4115&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;MI&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;/TBODY&gt;&lt;/TABLE&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2018 09:25:33 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Do-I-need-to-stick-to-mixed-effect-model-when-random-effect-is/m-p/512480#M26190</guid>
      <dc:creator>Lao_feng</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2018-11-13T09:25:33Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Do I need to stick to mixed effect model when random effect is insignficant?</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Do-I-need-to-stick-to-mixed-effect-model-when-random-effect-is/m-p/518301#M26411</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Belatedly, my personal opinion is that the statistical model should mimic the experimental design. So if you have clusters in the experimental design, then you have variance components associated with those clusters, and so you should keep those variance components regardless of whether the estimates are statistically "significant".&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
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      <pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2018 04:47:06 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Do-I-need-to-stick-to-mixed-effect-model-when-random-effect-is/m-p/518301#M26411</guid>
      <dc:creator>sld</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2018-12-04T04:47:06Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Do I need to stick to mixed effect model when random effect is insignficant?</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Do-I-need-to-stick-to-mixed-effect-model-when-random-effect-is/m-p/518599#M26433</link>
      <description>I tend to agree with sld.  Your model should reflect the data generating process as much as possible.  That the random effects are not statistically significant at p &amp;lt; 0.05 is also a sample size issue.  Also, and this is more tactics than science, but if you are submitting for publication it will be low-hanging fruit for a reviewer to ask about clustering, so now you have included it.</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2018 22:24:15 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>BISTGP</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2018-12-04T22:24:15Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Do I need to stick to mixed effect model when random effect is insignficant?</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Do-I-need-to-stick-to-mixed-effect-model-when-random-effect-is/m-p/518619#M26434</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Thank you all for your kind help !&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2018 00:44:09 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Do-I-need-to-stick-to-mixed-effect-model-when-random-effect-is/m-p/518619#M26434</guid>
      <dc:creator>Lao_feng</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2018-12-05T00:44:09Z</dc:date>
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