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    <title>topic Re: Do I need to stick to mixed effect model when random effect is insignficant? in Statistical Procedures</title>
    <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Do-I-need-to-stick-to-mixed-effect-model-when-random-effect-is/m-p/513170#M26212</link>
    <description>&lt;P&gt;Thank you for your suggestion !&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2018 01:16:24 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>Lao_feng</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2018-11-15T01:16:24Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Do I need to stick to mixed effect model when random effect is insignficant?</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Do-I-need-to-stick-to-mixed-effect-model-when-random-effect-is/m-p/512454#M26207</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I am doing a logistic regression analysis with random intercept in the model to account for within cluster correlation.There are 3 levels in my data:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Level 1: individual subject&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Level 2: Family (some subjects from the same family), the variable is fam_num&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Level 3: Village, the variable clu_num&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The model included country, age, gender, education and marrital status.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;My codes are:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;proc glimmix data=work0 NOCLPRINT;&lt;BR /&gt;class&amp;nbsp; country (ref='Pakistan') clu_num&amp;nbsp; fam_num age4g(ref='40~49') gender edu2g mar2g ;&lt;BR /&gt;model comb2g(ref='0')= country age4g gender edu2g mar2g /solution Link=logit dist=binary&lt;BR /&gt;random int /sub=clu_num;&lt;BR /&gt;random int /sub=fam_num (clu_num) ;&lt;BR /&gt;COVTEST GLM;&lt;BR /&gt;run;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I used 'COVTEST GLM' to check if the outcome is independent or not within clusters. The results I got are as follow:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The P value is 0.4115, suggesting the clustering effects are not statistically significant. In such case, can I remove the random effect from model, and use standard logistic regression? Thanks&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;TABLE&gt;&lt;TBODY&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Covariance Parameter Estimates&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Cov Parm&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Subject&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Estimate&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Standard&lt;BR /&gt;Error&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Intercept&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;clu_num&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;0.01724&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;0.02710&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Intercept&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;fam_n(clu_nu)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;0.01920&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;0.1512&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;/TBODY&gt;&lt;/TABLE&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;TABLE&gt;&lt;TBODY&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Tests&amp;nbsp;of&amp;nbsp;Covariance&amp;nbsp;Parameters&lt;BR /&gt;Based&amp;nbsp;on&amp;nbsp;the&amp;nbsp;Residual&amp;nbsp;Pseudo-Likelihood&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Label&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;DF&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;-2 Res Log P-Like&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;ChiSq&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Pr&amp;nbsp;&amp;gt;&amp;nbsp;ChiSq&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Note&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;Independence&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;2&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;10507&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;0.58&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;0.4115&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&lt;P&gt;MI&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;/TBODY&gt;&lt;/TABLE&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2018 05:38:03 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Do-I-need-to-stick-to-mixed-effect-model-when-random-effect-is/m-p/512454#M26207</guid>
      <dc:creator>Lao_feng</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2018-11-13T05:38:03Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Do I need to stick to mixed effect model when random effect is insignficant?</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Do-I-need-to-stick-to-mixed-effect-model-when-random-effect-is/m-p/513059#M26211</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;In general, I believe that the statistical model should match the design. In your study, individuals are not independent: they are clustered within families which are clustered within villages. Your model does not appear to be having any trouble with estimation. So I would keep the mixed model.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Other people may have other opinions.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2018 19:01:45 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>sld</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2018-11-14T19:01:45Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Do I need to stick to mixed effect model when random effect is insignficant?</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Do-I-need-to-stick-to-mixed-effect-model-when-random-effect-is/m-p/513170#M26212</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Thank you for your suggestion !&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2018 01:16:24 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Do-I-need-to-stick-to-mixed-effect-model-when-random-effect-is/m-p/513170#M26212</guid>
      <dc:creator>Lao_feng</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2018-11-15T01:16:24Z</dc:date>
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