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    <title>topic Ordinal Multinomial modelling with random effects in Statistical Procedures</title>
    <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Ordinal-Multinomial-modelling-with-random-effects/m-p/511417#M26178</link>
    <description>&lt;P&gt;Dear all,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I have a set of evaluation scores (from 1=worst quality to 5=best quality) given by N=25 subjects to each of M=90 videos varying by content, resolution and compression. The contents are six video games and the subjects are individuals of similar age and playing experience.&amp;nbsp; The main interest is in the fixed effects of resolution and compression with respect to the population of games and individuals. Thus I would like to perform a GEE marginal analysis with 1-nested log odds ratios, but I understand that is not available for the multinomial. I ended up using&amp;nbsp;the following&amp;nbsp; repeated statement&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;repeated subject=Subject* Game / logor=EXCH;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;which is not what I was looking for&amp;nbsp;but probably gives similar answer.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The full code is&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;proc gee data=scores;&amp;nbsp;&lt;BR /&gt;class Subject Game Resolution;&lt;BR /&gt;model Score = Game Resolution Game*Resolution sqrtComp logComp logComp*Game logComp*Resolution/ dist=mult type3;&lt;BR /&gt;repeated subject=subject*Game/logor=Exch;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;output out=out(keep= config Game Resolution Compression Pred) Predicted=Pred;&lt;BR /&gt;ods output GEEFitCriteria=QIC2;&lt;BR /&gt;run;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Is there any other way?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Would glimmix with method=Laplace helping in any way?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thank you&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Sergio Pezzulli&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2018 15:48:14 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>SergioP</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2018-11-08T15:48:14Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Ordinal Multinomial modelling with random effects</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Ordinal-Multinomial-modelling-with-random-effects/m-p/511417#M26178</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Dear all,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I have a set of evaluation scores (from 1=worst quality to 5=best quality) given by N=25 subjects to each of M=90 videos varying by content, resolution and compression. The contents are six video games and the subjects are individuals of similar age and playing experience.&amp;nbsp; The main interest is in the fixed effects of resolution and compression with respect to the population of games and individuals. Thus I would like to perform a GEE marginal analysis with 1-nested log odds ratios, but I understand that is not available for the multinomial. I ended up using&amp;nbsp;the following&amp;nbsp; repeated statement&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;repeated subject=Subject* Game / logor=EXCH;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;which is not what I was looking for&amp;nbsp;but probably gives similar answer.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The full code is&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;proc gee data=scores;&amp;nbsp;&lt;BR /&gt;class Subject Game Resolution;&lt;BR /&gt;model Score = Game Resolution Game*Resolution sqrtComp logComp logComp*Game logComp*Resolution/ dist=mult type3;&lt;BR /&gt;repeated subject=subject*Game/logor=Exch;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;output out=out(keep= config Game Resolution Compression Pred) Predicted=Pred;&lt;BR /&gt;ods output GEEFitCriteria=QIC2;&lt;BR /&gt;run;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Is there any other way?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Would glimmix with method=Laplace helping in any way?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thank you&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Sergio Pezzulli&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2018 15:48:14 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Ordinal-Multinomial-modelling-with-random-effects/m-p/511417#M26178</guid>
      <dc:creator>SergioP</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2018-11-08T15:48:14Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Ordinal Multinomial modelling with random effects</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Ordinal-Multinomial-modelling-with-random-effects/m-p/511970#M26189</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I am not an expert in this area, but I recently read a SAS Global Forum paper about using PROC GLMMIX to perform GEE modeling. The author, Kathleen&amp;nbsp;Kiernan, is an expert who works in SAS Technical Support:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;A href="https://www.sas.com/content/dam/SAS/support/en/sas-global-forum-proceedings/2018/2179-2018.pdf" target="_self"&gt;"Insights into Using the GLIMMIX Procedure&lt;/A&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;A href="https://www.sas.com/content/dam/SAS/support/en/sas-global-forum-proceedings/2018/2179-2018.pdf" target="_self"&gt;to Model Categorical Outcomes with Random Effects"&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Pages 10-11 discuss the difference between GEE models in GENMOD or GEE versus GLIMMIX. Example 3 is an example with multinomial response.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2018 21:52:28 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Ordinal-Multinomial-modelling-with-random-effects/m-p/511970#M26189</guid>
      <dc:creator>Rick_SAS</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2018-11-10T21:52:28Z</dc:date>
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