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Question about SAS paper

redmotherfive — Mon, 15 Oct 2018 13:11:59 GMT

Regarding this paper: http://support.sas.com/resources/papers/proceedings13/433-2013.pdf A multilevel model primer...

I have a question. On page 13 it says that based on the covariance parameter output on page 12, it seems that growth in reading achievement does vary between children. How would one approximate the % variability in this case (based on the covariance parameter output on page 12)?

I'll note that page 13 does say, "Although the magnitude of the intercept variance estimate is rarely interpreted in a substantive way, the pvalue for that variance parameter indicates that reading achievement at entry into kindergarten does vary between children."

Paper by: Bethany A. Bell, Mihaela Ene, Whitney Smiley, Jason A. Schoeneberger

I was told by SAS on YouTube to ask about this here. Thanks in advance.

Re: Question about SAS paper

pink_poodle — Wed, 17 Oct 2018 01:36:51 GMT

Suppose you observe n data points, y(i) to y(n) that you want to explain with explanatory variables from X matrix, and variance of y is V. The "Covariance Parameter Estimates" table contains the estimates of the parameters in G and R, which, according to the Maximum Likelihood method (method = ml in code on p. 12), are in the following relationship with V:

l(G,R) , where

Their values are labeled in the table along with Subject information. The estimates are displayed in the Estimate column.

References

[1] Covariance Parameter Estimates table

[2] Estimating Covariance Parameters in the Mixed Model

Re: Question about SAS paper

redmotherfive — Wed, 17 Oct 2018 13:23:40 GMT

Thanks, pink poodle, but this doesn't help with inference. At least, it doesn't help me.

Re: Question about SAS paper

pink_poodle — Wed, 17 Oct 2018 19:41:25 GMT

On page 7 they are calculating % variability using ICC. That might work here, too.

Re: Question about SAS paper

redmotherfive — Thu, 18 Oct 2018 14:33:22 GMT

Thanks pink poodle. I was wondering about that. Do you know for sure if it would be appropriate to do that? If so, that would be great, very straightforward.

Re: Question about SAS paper

pink_poodle — Thu, 18 Oct 2018 17:17:35 GMT

From looking at their Table 4 on page 14, they are calculating ICC for the intercept of timemos model 1 on page 12. There is an asterisk at the bottom of the table that says it's equal to 0.19, which makes their results statistically significant.