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    <title>topic Re: Covariance Estimates when Fitting Generalized Linear Mixed Model in Statistical Procedures</title>
    <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Covariance-Estimates-when-Fitting-Generalized-Linear-Mixed-Model/m-p/490591#M25487</link>
    <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;a href="https://communities.sas.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/141584"&gt;@binfang&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;This means&amp;nbsp;there should only be 3 rows of estimate in the covariance output, but there are 4 rows instead, which is not what I expected since one level should be used as reference.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I don't think this is correct, I think there are covariance estimates for every level of your 4-level categorical variable. But honestly, it has been a very long time since I did PROC GLIMMIX with DIST=MULTINOMIAL. Maybe someone&amp;nbsp;knows.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2018 19:22:06 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>PaigeMiller</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2018-08-28T19:22:06Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Covariance Estimates when Fitting Generalized Linear Mixed Model</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Covariance-Estimates-when-Fitting-Generalized-Linear-Mixed-Model/m-p/488318#M25358</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;I noticed there are something wrong with covariance estimates when fitting Generalized Linear Mixed Model, as it is shown below:&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="image.png" style="width: 538px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://communities.sas.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/22641i632EA0759E78960F/image-size/large?v=v2&amp;amp;px=999" role="button" title="image.png" alt="image.png" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;The model is a multinomial&amp;nbsp;generalized mixed model, where the outcome is a 4-level categorical variable and all the predictors are continuous.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV&gt;The SAS codes are as attached.&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV&gt;Can you suggest any way to fix the problem?&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV&gt;Thank you!&lt;/DIV&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2018 18:43:50 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>binfang</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2018-08-20T18:43:50Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Covariance Estimates when Fitting Generalized Linear Mixed Model</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Covariance-Estimates-when-Fitting-Generalized-Linear-Mixed-Model/m-p/488322#M25359</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;What is wrong with the results?&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2018 19:11:58 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Covariance-Estimates-when-Fitting-Generalized-Linear-Mixed-Model/m-p/488322#M25359</guid>
      <dc:creator>PaigeMiller</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2018-08-20T19:11:58Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Covariance Estimates when Fitting Generalized Linear Mixed Model</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Covariance-Estimates-when-Fitting-Generalized-Linear-Mixed-Model/m-p/488389#M25361</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;One estimate is 0, the other one is extremely small. And their standard error are both missing.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2018 23:40:46 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>binfang</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2018-08-20T23:40:46Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Covariance Estimates when Fitting Generalized Linear Mixed Model</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Covariance-Estimates-when-Fitting-Generalized-Linear-Mixed-Model/m-p/488393#M25363</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;What makes a zero wrong? Those could be (and probably are) the correct calculations.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2018 00:02:03 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Covariance-Estimates-when-Fitting-Generalized-Linear-Mixed-Model/m-p/488393#M25363</guid>
      <dc:creator>PaigeMiller</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2018-08-21T00:02:03Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Covariance Estimates when Fitting Generalized Linear Mixed Model</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Covariance-Estimates-when-Fitting-Generalized-Linear-Mixed-Model/m-p/490583#M25485</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi Paige,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The model I am trying to fit is a categorical mixed model, where the outcome is a 4-level categorical variable. &lt;STRONG&gt;This means&amp;nbsp;there should only be 3 rows of estimate in the covariance output, but there are 4 rows instead, which is not what I expected since one level should be used as reference.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I have attached the modified syntax if you are interested to run. The data is attached in the next post.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Best,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Bin&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2018 19:07:24 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Covariance-Estimates-when-Fitting-Generalized-Linear-Mixed-Model/m-p/490583#M25485</guid>
      <dc:creator>binfang</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2018-08-28T19:07:24Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Covariance Estimates when Fitting Generalized Linear Mixed Model</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Covariance-Estimates-when-Fitting-Generalized-Linear-Mixed-Model/m-p/490591#M25487</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;a href="https://communities.sas.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/141584"&gt;@binfang&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;This means&amp;nbsp;there should only be 3 rows of estimate in the covariance output, but there are 4 rows instead, which is not what I expected since one level should be used as reference.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I don't think this is correct, I think there are covariance estimates for every level of your 4-level categorical variable. But honestly, it has been a very long time since I did PROC GLIMMIX with DIST=MULTINOMIAL. Maybe someone&amp;nbsp;knows.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2018 19:22:06 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Covariance-Estimates-when-Fitting-Generalized-Linear-Mixed-Model/m-p/490591#M25487</guid>
      <dc:creator>PaigeMiller</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2018-08-28T19:22:06Z</dc:date>
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