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    <title>topic Re: Non-parametric ANCOVA for single group pre/post data in Statistical Procedures</title>
    <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Non-parametric-ANCOVA-for-single-group-pre-post-data/m-p/345247#M18160</link>
    <description>&lt;P&gt;Test for the homogeneity of &lt;EM&gt;pre&lt;/EM&gt; between groups first with Wilcoxon signed ranks. If that is not significant, then test for a difference in &lt;EM&gt;change&lt;/EM&gt; between groups. If &lt;EM&gt;pre&lt;/EM&gt; is shown to be non homogeneous then you might try to &lt;EM&gt;adjust&lt;/EM&gt; for that difference by subsampling your data to create homogeneous &lt;EM&gt;pre&lt;/EM&gt; groups.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2017 03:24:08 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>PGStats</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2017-03-29T03:24:08Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Non-parametric ANCOVA for single group pre/post data</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Non-parametric-ANCOVA-for-single-group-pre-post-data/m-p/345196#M18157</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I have a single group pre-post data, with a continuous outcome (a score), and I am looking to see if there are differences in the scores by a binary variable.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;So I have a pre score, a post score, a calculated change score, and a binary (yes/no) variable for each patient (N=44).&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I fit an anova and an ancova adjusting for pre scores to the data for outcome 1=post and outcome 2=change.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The residuals for both are non-normal.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Is there some sort of non-parametric version of the ANCOVA I can use? I do not want to transform as it would create difficulties in interpretations.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Code:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;proc glm data=x;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; model post= pre|binary / solution;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;run;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;proc glm data=x;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; model change= pre|binary / solution;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;run;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2017 00:01:02 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Non-parametric-ANCOVA-for-single-group-pre-post-data/m-p/345196#M18157</guid>
      <dc:creator>LucyB</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2017-03-29T00:01:02Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Non-parametric ANCOVA for single group pre/post data</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Non-parametric-ANCOVA-for-single-group-pre-post-data/m-p/345247#M18160</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Test for the homogeneity of &lt;EM&gt;pre&lt;/EM&gt; between groups first with Wilcoxon signed ranks. If that is not significant, then test for a difference in &lt;EM&gt;change&lt;/EM&gt; between groups. If &lt;EM&gt;pre&lt;/EM&gt; is shown to be non homogeneous then you might try to &lt;EM&gt;adjust&lt;/EM&gt; for that difference by subsampling your data to create homogeneous &lt;EM&gt;pre&lt;/EM&gt; groups.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2017 03:24:08 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Non-parametric-ANCOVA-for-single-group-pre-post-data/m-p/345247#M18160</guid>
      <dc:creator>PGStats</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2017-03-29T03:24:08Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Non-parametric ANCOVA for single group pre/post data</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Non-parametric-ANCOVA-for-single-group-pre-post-data/m-p/345598#M18183</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I have a small sample - i would prefer to use an alternate approach rather than subsampling. Is there not a method based on ranks I can do?&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2017 00:39:23 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Non-parametric-ANCOVA-for-single-group-pre-post-data/m-p/345598#M18183</guid>
      <dc:creator>LucyB</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2017-03-30T00:39:23Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Non-parametric ANCOVA for single group pre/post data</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Non-parametric-ANCOVA-for-single-group-pre-post-data/m-p/345699#M18188</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;You may take a look Savage test.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Make change=post-pre firstly before model.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;PRE&gt;&lt;CODE class=" language-sas"&gt;proc npar1way savage data=Mice;
class Treatment;
var Days;
exact savage;
run;
&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;/PRE&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2017 10:22:43 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Non-parametric-ANCOVA-for-single-group-pre-post-data/m-p/345699#M18188</guid>
      <dc:creator>Ksharp</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2017-03-30T10:22:43Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Non-parametric ANCOVA for single group pre/post data</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Non-parametric-ANCOVA-for-single-group-pre-post-data/m-p/346013#M18200</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;This looks like the same study on which you've posted multiple questions and gotten multiple responses.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;If you are continuing to have issues with normality, perhaps it is because your "score" is inherently non-normal. If you provide the community with more information about your data--specifically, what the nature of your "score" is, what it measures, what values it takes, even post the dataset--someone may be more likely to be able to suggest a solution.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;That said, if the response (conditional on the predictors) is non-normal then, well, it's non-normal. Whether you have to transform to achieve normality or whether you use a generallized linear model with a non-normal distribution, there will be interpretation issues with respect to the original scale. It's just the nature of the beast.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2017 03:02:15 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Non-parametric-ANCOVA-for-single-group-pre-post-data/m-p/346013#M18200</guid>
      <dc:creator>sld</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2017-03-31T03:02:15Z</dc:date>
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