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    <title>topic Re: A question about 'Example 56.2 Repeated Measures' using proc mixed in Statistical Procedures</title>
    <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/A-question-about-Example-56-2-Repeated-Measures-using-proc-mixed/m-p/331546#M17509</link>
    <description>&lt;P&gt;Age is a continuous variable, so the model treated it as such. The authors want one parameter to indicate the dependence on age.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;If the subjects were classifed as "Children", "Teenagers", and "Adults", then the variable would be treated as a classification effect. There would be three parameters (two independent parameters) in that model.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2017 15:17:38 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>Rick_SAS</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2017-02-10T15:17:38Z</dc:date>
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      <title>A question about 'Example 56.2 Repeated Measures' using proc mixed</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/A-question-about-Example-56-2-Repeated-Measures-using-proc-mixed/m-p/331453#M17508</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Example 56.2 uses proc mixed to examine growth measurements for girls and boys at ages 8, 10, 12 and 14. The proposed syntax is:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;DIV class="pre"&gt;&lt;PRE&gt;data pr;
     input Person Gender $ y1 y2 y3 y4;
     y=y1; Age=8;  output;
     y=y2; Age=10; output;
     y=y3; Age=12; output;
     y=y4; Age=14; output;
     drop y1-y4;
     datalines;
    1   F   21.0    20.0    21.5    23.0
    2   F   21.0    21.5    24.0    25.5
    3   F   20.5    24.0    24.5    26.0
    4   F   23.5    24.5    25.0    26.5
    5   F   21.5    23.0    22.5    23.5
    6   F   20.0    21.0    21.0    22.5
    7   F   21.5    22.5    23.0    25.0
    8   F   23.0    23.0    23.5    24.0
    9   F   20.0    21.0    22.0    21.5
   10   F   16.5    19.0    19.0    19.5
   11   F   24.5    25.0    28.0    28.0
   12   M   26.0    25.0    29.0    31.0
   13   M   21.5    22.5    23.0    26.5
   14   M   23.0    22.5    24.0    27.5
   15   M   25.5    27.5    26.5    27.0
   16   M   20.0    23.5    22.5    26.0
   17   M   24.5    25.5    27.0    28.5
   18   M   22.0    22.0    24.5    26.5
   19   M   24.0    21.5    24.5    25.5
   20   M   23.0    20.5    31.0    26.0
   21   M   27.5    28.0    31.0    31.5
   22   M   23.0    23.0    23.5    25.0
   23   M   21.5    23.5    24.0    28.0
   24   M   17.0    24.5    26.0    29.5
   25   M   22.5    25.5    25.5    26.0
   26   M   23.0    24.5    26.0    30.0
   27   M   22.0    21.5    23.5    25.0
   ;&lt;/PRE&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;DIV class="pre"&gt;&lt;PRE&gt;   proc mixed data=pr method=ml covtest;
      class Person Gender;
      model y = Gender Age Gender*Age / s;
      repeated / type=un subject=Person r;
   run;&lt;/PRE&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;With regards to the 'Solution for Fixed Effects' (see below), the authors conclude that "The girls' starting point is larger than that for the boys, but their growth rate is about half of the boys".&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;DIV class="listing"&gt;&lt;DIV class="caption"&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Output 56.2.8 Repeated Measures Analysis (&lt;I&gt;continued&lt;/I&gt;)&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;CENTER&gt;&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;DIV class="branch"&gt;&lt;DIV&gt;&lt;DIV align="center"&gt;Solution for Fixed Effects Effect Gender Estimate Standard Error DF t&amp;nbsp;Value Pr &amp;gt; |t| Intercept &amp;nbsp; Gender F Gender M Age &amp;nbsp; Age*Gender F Age*Gender M &lt;TABLE cellspacing="0" cellpadding="3"&gt;&lt;TBODY&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;15.8423&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;0.9356&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;25&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;16.93&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&amp;lt;.0001&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;1.5831&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;1.4658&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;25&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;1.08&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;0.2904&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;0&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;0.8268&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;0.07911&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;25&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;10.45&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&amp;lt;.0001&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;-0.3504&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;0.1239&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;25&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;-2.83&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;0.0091&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;0&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;/TBODY&gt;&lt;/TABLE&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/CENTER&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;So my question is why age was not included in the class statement?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;A proc means analysis for age=8 shows that the value for boys is larger than that for girls. Also below is the solution for fixed effects when&amp;nbsp;age(ref=first) is added to the class statement. Wouldn't this better reflect the data?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;Analysis Variable : y Gender N Obs N Mean Std Dev Minimum Maximum F 11 M 16 &lt;TABLE&gt;&lt;TBODY&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;11&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;21.1818182&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;2.1245320&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;16.5000000&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;24.5000000&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;16&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;22.8750000&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;2.4528895&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;17.0000000&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;27.5000000&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;/TBODY&gt;&lt;/TABLE&gt;&lt;DIV class="listing"&gt;&lt;CENTER&gt;&lt;DIV class="branch"&gt;&lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;DIV class="branch"&gt;Solution for Fixed Effects Effect Gender Age Estimate Standard&lt;BR /&gt;Error DF t&amp;nbsp;Value Pr &amp;gt; |t| Intercept &amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; Gender F &amp;nbsp; Gender M &amp;nbsp; Age &amp;nbsp; 10 Age &amp;nbsp; 12 Age &amp;nbsp; 14 Age &amp;nbsp; 8 Gender*Age F 10 Gender*Age F 12 Gender*Age F 14 Gender*Age F 8 Gender*Age M 10 Gender*Age M 12 Gender*Age M 14 Gender*Age M 8 &lt;TABLE&gt;&lt;TBODY&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;22.8750&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;0.5598&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;25&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;40.86&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&amp;lt;.0001&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;-1.6932&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;0.8771&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;25&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;-1.93&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;0.0650&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;0&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;0.9375&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;0.4910&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;25&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;1.91&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;0.0678&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;2.8438&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;0.4842&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;25&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;5.87&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&amp;lt;.0001&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;4.5938&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;0.5369&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;25&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;8.56&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;&amp;lt;.0001&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;0&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;0.1080&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;0.7693&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;25&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;0.14&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;0.8895&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;-0.9347&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;0.7585&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;25&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;-1.23&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;0.2293&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;-1.6847&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;0.8411&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;25&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;-2.00&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;0.0561&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;0&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;0&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;0&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;0&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;TR&gt;&lt;TD&gt;0&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;TD&gt;.&lt;/TD&gt;&lt;/TR&gt;&lt;/TBODY&gt;&lt;/TABLE&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/CENTER&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;/DIV&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2017 10:46:26 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/A-question-about-Example-56-2-Repeated-Measures-using-proc-mixed/m-p/331453#M17508</guid>
      <dc:creator>lukoste</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2017-02-10T10:46:26Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: A question about 'Example 56.2 Repeated Measures' using proc mixed</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/A-question-about-Example-56-2-Repeated-Measures-using-proc-mixed/m-p/331546#M17509</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Age is a continuous variable, so the model treated it as such. The authors want one parameter to indicate the dependence on age.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;If the subjects were classifed as "Children", "Teenagers", and "Adults", then the variable would be treated as a classification effect. There would be three parameters (two independent parameters) in that model.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2017 15:17:38 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/A-question-about-Example-56-2-Repeated-Measures-using-proc-mixed/m-p/331546#M17509</guid>
      <dc:creator>Rick_SAS</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2017-02-10T15:17:38Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: A question about 'Example 56.2 Repeated Measures' using proc mixed</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/A-question-about-Example-56-2-Repeated-Measures-using-proc-mixed/m-p/332694#M17561</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;If you want to account for possible nonlinearity of response due to age, you could change the code slightly (including age as a class effect) to get:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;PRE&gt;&lt;CODE class=" language-sas"&gt;proc mixed data=pr method=ml covtest;
      class Person Gender Age;
      model y = Gender Age Gender*Age / s;
      repeated  Age/ type=un subject=Person r;
   run;&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;/PRE&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Note that this will "use up" some degrees of freedom, so that standard errors may be larger and tests somewhat different. &amp;nbsp;There are many ways to proceed at this point, especially if you wished to make comparisons of expected values at various ages.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Steve Denham&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2017 16:32:03 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/A-question-about-Example-56-2-Repeated-Measures-using-proc-mixed/m-p/332694#M17561</guid>
      <dc:creator>SteveDenham</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2017-02-14T16:32:03Z</dc:date>
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