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    <title>topic Re: Smoothing a survival curve in Statistical Procedures</title>
    <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Smoothing-a-survival-curve/m-p/261641#M13834</link>
    <description>&lt;P&gt;Thank you, it's working.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I have just encounterd a bigger problem, maybe you will have an idea.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Like I mentioned, the whole idea is to take ths smoothed values and to put them in PROC POWER. The smoothed survival (the predictions) gave me values above 1. PROC POWER won't get it. If I change any value larger than 1 into 1, I might get two values of 1 for one scenario, PROC POWER won't get that either. What shall I do ?&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2016 09:46:42 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>BlueNose</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2016-04-06T09:46:42Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Smoothing a survival curve</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Smoothing-a-survival-curve/m-p/261070#M13804</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hello all,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I am trying to calculate the power for a trial which will be analyzed using survival analysis. In order to do so, I have data from a previous study. I ran PROC LIFETEST and got the table of "&lt;SPAN&gt;Product-Limit Survival Estimates". I saved the estimated into a SAS Dataset, and let's assume that now I have a dataset with two columns: time point and probability. Plotting these columns gives the survival curve. What I want to do, is to smooth the curve, and then to choose points from this curve (every fifth point, or every tenth point, etc...), and to enter these points to PROC POWER as input. Smoothing can be done using PROC LOESS. What I wante to ask, is how can I save "predictions" from a smoothed curve ? In other words, let's say I managed to smooth the curve, and that I want the predicted value of time = 10, 20, 30, 40. How can I get this from SAS ?&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;Thank you in advance !&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2016 13:10:18 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Smoothing-a-survival-curve/m-p/261070#M13804</guid>
      <dc:creator>BlueNose</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-04-04T13:10:18Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Smoothing a survival curve</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Smoothing-a-survival-curve/m-p/261086#M13805</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Something like this?&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;PRE&gt;&lt;CODE class=" language-sas"&gt;   proc loess data=Melanoma;
      model Incidences=Year/smooth=0.1 0.25 0.4 0.6 residual;
      ods output OutputStatistics=Results;
   run; 

  proc print data=Results(obs=5); 
     id obs;
   run;
&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;/PRE&gt;
&lt;P&gt;From &lt;A href="http://support.sas.com/documentation/cdl/en/statug/63033/HTML/default/viewer.htm#statug_loess_sect004.htm" target="_blank"&gt;http://support.sas.com/documentation/cdl/en/statug/63033/HTML/default/viewer.htm#statug_loess_sect004.htm&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2016 13:48:13 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Norman21</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-04-04T13:48:13Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Smoothing a survival curve</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Smoothing-a-survival-curve/m-p/261105#M13806</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;What you are asking for is called &lt;A href="http://blogs.sas.com/content/iml/2014/02/19/scoring-a-regression-model-in-sas.html" target="_self"&gt;"scoring a regression model."&lt;/A&gt;&amp;nbsp; My advice is to use the &lt;A href="http://support.sas.com/documentation/cdl/en/statug/66859/HTML/default/viewer.htm#statug_loess_syntax08.htm" target="_self"&gt;SCORE statement in PROC LOESS&lt;/A&gt;.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Here is an example:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;PRE&gt;&lt;CODE class=" language-sas"&gt;/* create values of explanatory variables at which to score model */
data ScoreIt;
do Height = 55 to 70 by 5;
   output;
end;
run;

/* score model */
proc loess data=sashelp.class plots=none;
   model weight = height;
   ods output ScoreResults = ScoreResults;
   score data=ScoreIt;
run;

proc print data=ScoreResults; run;&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;/PRE&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2016 14:51:27 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Smoothing-a-survival-curve/m-p/261105#M13806</guid>
      <dc:creator>Rick_SAS</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-04-04T14:51:27Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Smoothing a survival curve</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Smoothing-a-survival-curve/m-p/261615#M13829</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Thank you both. The solution you provided is working, however I have encountered an unexpected problem.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;This solution works fine if all I have is time and survival. What I did not specify, is that my dataset contains also 2 other variables: treatment group and index (=1,2,3,4). I wish to perform this task, by index and treatment group. Every combination of treatment group and index, has different times (different heights in Rick's example). How can I run this, so for every unique combination of index and treatment group, I will enter the times (heights) into a dataset (all times in the file for this combination), and then predict the survival ?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;In other words, for each unique combination I want a different smoothing curve.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thank you.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2016 07:35:04 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Smoothing-a-survival-curve/m-p/261615#M13829</guid>
      <dc:creator>BlueNose</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-04-06T07:35:04Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Smoothing a survival curve</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Smoothing-a-survival-curve/m-p/261638#M13833</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Sort the data by Treatment and Index. Then use a BY statement:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;BY Treatment Index;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;inside the procedure that does the analysis.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2016 09:32:53 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Smoothing-a-survival-curve/m-p/261638#M13833</guid>
      <dc:creator>Rick_SAS</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-04-06T09:32:53Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Smoothing a survival curve</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Smoothing-a-survival-curve/m-p/261641#M13834</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Thank you, it's working.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I have just encounterd a bigger problem, maybe you will have an idea.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Like I mentioned, the whole idea is to take ths smoothed values and to put them in PROC POWER. The smoothed survival (the predictions) gave me values above 1. PROC POWER won't get it. If I change any value larger than 1 into 1, I might get two values of 1 for one scenario, PROC POWER won't get that either. What shall I do ?&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2016 09:46:42 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Smoothing-a-survival-curve/m-p/261641#M13834</guid>
      <dc:creator>BlueNose</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-04-06T09:46:42Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Smoothing a survival curve</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Smoothing-a-survival-curve/m-p/261664#M13835</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Yes, that is a problem that can occur when you use a routine like LOESS to model a probabilliy. LOESS does not know that the quantity must be in the interval (0,1).&amp;nbsp;Another problem you might encounter is that a survival curve should be monotonic, whereas a LOESS curve can have local extrema.&amp;nbsp; I guess I don't understand why you aren't using a survival routine (LIFEREG?) for this analysis.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Without seeing your data, it is hard to know how to respond.&amp;nbsp; I can think of two general approaches:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;1) If you want to stay with LOESS, choose a large bandwidth. You might get lucky and end up with a curve that is bounded within (0,1)&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;2) If you are willing to abandon LOESS, use a different regression procedure that model probabilities.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2016 11:45:10 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Smoothing-a-survival-curve/m-p/261664#M13835</guid>
      <dc:creator>Rick_SAS</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-04-06T11:45:10Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Smoothing a survival curve</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Smoothing-a-survival-curve/m-p/261667#M13836</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Thank you Rick.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I do not HAVE to use LOESS, I don't know any other smoothing option. I have times and survival probabilities. This is data from an old study. I want to use it to plan a new one using PROC POWER. I thought, that instead of using a data specific numbers in PROC POWER, I will use the smoothed values. If there is an alternative to LOESS that is more suitable, I will gladly change (hopefully the code isn't much harder than the one you specified earlier).&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2016 11:58:32 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>BlueNose</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-04-06T11:58:32Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Smoothing a survival curve</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Smoothing-a-survival-curve/m-p/261668#M13837</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Unfortunately, I do not understand the structure of your data well enough to make a recommendation.&amp;nbsp; If you can make up and post some representative data, that would encourage other experts to chime in.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2016 12:10:08 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Smoothing-a-survival-curve/m-p/261668#M13837</guid>
      <dc:creator>Rick_SAS</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-04-06T12:10:08Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Smoothing a survival curve</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Smoothing-a-survival-curve/m-p/261670#M13838</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I will try to simplify.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;This is an example data, and not even a good one (I have more observations per group).&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;This came from LIFETEST. What I want now, it to take these two survival curves, and to smooth them.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I have this data&amp;amp;colon;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;PRE&gt;&lt;CODE class=" language-sas"&gt;data exmaple;
input Group Time Survival;
datalines;
T 0     1
T 10    0.97
T 120   0.93
T 180   0.90
T 270   0.83
C  0    1
C  13   0.96
C  130  0.94
;&lt;BR /&gt;
run;&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;/PRE&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;I want to get a new column with new probabilities, of the smoothed curves.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2016 12:18:20 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Smoothing-a-survival-curve/m-p/261670#M13838</guid>
      <dc:creator>BlueNose</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-04-06T12:18:20Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Smoothing a survival curve</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Smoothing-a-survival-curve/m-p/261922#M13842</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;You could use the logit transform on the survival probabilities, run it through scoring with Proc Loess, then inverse-logit transform back to the probability scale. That will restrict the estimates to [0,1].&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2016 19:55:37 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Smoothing-a-survival-curve/m-p/261922#M13842</guid>
      <dc:creator>EastwoodDC</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-04-06T19:55:37Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Smoothing a survival curve</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Smoothing-a-survival-curve/m-p/261936#M13846</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;After thinking about this problem some more, I don't see how LOESS could possibly be giving you predicted values above 1. The default interpolation is linear. If all of your Y values are between 0 and 1, it is mathematically&amp;nbsp;impossible for a linear interpolation (which is an average) to predict a value outside of [0,1].&amp;nbsp; (If you have told LOESS to do cubic interpolation, then that is your problem; use linear interpolation.)&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;LOESS does not do extrapolation, so I suggest you check your response variable to make sure that all values are between 0 and 1.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I sure would like to see an example that does what you claim. Perhas I am misunderstanding the explanation of your data...&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2016 20:44:09 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Smoothing-a-survival-curve/m-p/261936#M13846</guid>
      <dc:creator>Rick_SAS</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-04-06T20:44:09Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Smoothing a survival curve</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Smoothing-a-survival-curve/m-p/262719#M13876</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;PRE&gt;&lt;CODE class=" language-sas"&gt;data example;
input Time Survival;
datalines;
0   1
40 0.9382
41 0.9164
56 0.8945
61 0.8727
70 0.8509
88 0.8291
92 0.8073
97 0.7855
136 0.7636
137 0.7418
144 0.72
145 0.6982
153 0.6764
169 0.6545
176 0.6327
235 0.6101
244 0.5875
246 0.5649
298 0.5423
308 0.5197
325 0.4971
346 0.4745
402 0.4519
487 0.4294
505 0.4068
568 0.3842
722 0.3616
786 0.339
956 0.3164&lt;BR /&gt;;&lt;BR /&gt;run;&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;/PRE&gt;&lt;P&gt;Hi Rick,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Here is an example of a data. If you run PROC LOESS using this, the first predicted value (corresponding to 1) gives you 1.0035, where the code is:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;PRE&gt;&lt;CODE class=" language-sas"&gt;DATA ScoreIt;
	set Example;
RUN;

proc loess data=Example plots=none;
   model Survival = Time;
   ods output ScoreResults = ScoreResults;
   score data=ScoreIt;
run;&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;/PRE&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thank you.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2016 06:15:37 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Smoothing-a-survival-curve/m-p/262719#M13876</guid>
      <dc:creator>BlueNose</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-04-10T06:15:37Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Smoothing a survival curve</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Smoothing-a-survival-curve/m-p/262732#M13877</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Thanks for the example. My thinking was incorrect. Please ignore my previous rambings.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2016 10:59:42 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Smoothing-a-survival-curve/m-p/262732#M13877</guid>
      <dc:creator>Rick_SAS</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-04-10T10:59:42Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Smoothing a survival curve</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Smoothing-a-survival-curve/m-p/262938#M13878</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;First, do you really need to smooth this? Survival probabilities change in discrete lumps, and smoothing will misrepresent the estimates.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Second, If you must interpolate, the simplest way to correct values greater than 1.0 is to set them equal to 1.0&amp;nbsp;in a data step, and explain your methods.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;If that's not good enough, do your smoothing with a spline effect in Proc Glimmix, and constrain the intercept to be equal to 1.0.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2016 15:29:59 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>EastwoodDC</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-04-11T15:29:59Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Smoothing a survival curve</title>
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      <description>&lt;P&gt;I was still thinking about your previous comment, with the logit, and it will not work, as I always have one observation with probability 1, and so the logit cannot be calculated for it.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Setting the probability back to 1 could work, however further in my program, I wish to add another scenario where I add 2% to the smoothed probabilities, and then I may have 2 probabilities of 1, which will "annoy" proc power.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;How do you implement a spline effect in glimmix ?&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2016 05:34:19 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Smoothing-a-survival-curve/m-p/263095#M13887</guid>
      <dc:creator>BlueNose</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-04-12T05:34:19Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Smoothing a survival curve</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Smoothing-a-survival-curve/m-p/263684#M13908</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;The basic code will look like this:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;PRE&gt;proc glimmix data=yourdata method=quad(qpoints=4); 
  effect splTime = spline(Time / knotmethod=equal(2));
  model Survival = splTime;
  output out=smoothed pred=smooth_survival;
run;&lt;/PRE&gt;&lt;P&gt;You may need to adjust the Number of knots (1 might be enough).&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;However, this won't contrain predicted survival to 1.0 at Time=0. I thought this could be done with the Parms statement, but I was mistaken. Instead, you could model&amp;nbsp;the compliment of survival with no intercept, and that should do the trick.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;PRE&gt;data yourdata2;&lt;BR /&gt;  set yourdata;&lt;BR /&gt;  &lt;STRONG&gt;csurv = 1 - survival&lt;/STRONG&gt;;&lt;BR /&gt;run ;

proc glimmix data=yourdata2 method=quad(qpoints=4); 
  effect splTime = spline(Time / knotmethod=equal(2));
  model csurv = splTime &lt;STRONG&gt;/ noint;&lt;/STRONG&gt;
  output out=smoothed pred=smooth_csurv;
run;&lt;/PRE&gt;&lt;P&gt;Then take the compliment of csurv to get back to the smoothed survival estimates you want.&lt;BR /&gt;&lt;BR /&gt;I haven't ever tried to do quite what you are doing, as we always present the standard Kaplan-Meier curve.&amp;nbsp;You should consider smoothing the upper and lower confidence bounds as well, to convey the uncertainty that goes along with this curve.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 13 Apr 2016 21:11:22 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Smoothing-a-survival-curve/m-p/263684#M13908</guid>
      <dc:creator>EastwoodDC</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-04-13T21:11:22Z</dc:date>
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