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    <title>topic Re: Multiple comparisons against a control in the context of an heteroscedastic ANOVA model in Statistical Procedures</title>
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    <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi &lt;A href="https://communities.sas.com/t5/forums/editpage/board-id/statistical_procedures/message-id/12804" target="_blank"&gt;@SteveDenham&lt;/A&gt;&amp;nbsp;and &lt;A href="https://communities.sas.com/t5/forums/editpage/board-id/statistical_procedures/message-id/12804" target="_blank"&gt;@lvm&lt;/A&gt;,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thank you both for your response. Please note that I had voluntarely remove the LSMEANS statement with the SLICE option in order to put the focus on the pairwise comparion's test performed across all timepoints.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Here is my full code:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;PROC MIXED DATA=data METHOD=REML ;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; CLASS Group Time Subject ;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; MODEL Value = Group Time Group*Time / DDFM=KR ;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; REPEATED Time / GRP=Group Subject=Subject TYPE=CS ; /*this could be a different covariance structure */&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; LSMEANS Group / PDIFF=Control("1") ADJUST=??? ADJDFE=??? ;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; LSMEANS Group*Time / PDIFF SLICE=Time ;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;RUN ;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;My main concern was regarding if the Dunnett test could be used in the context of an Heteroscedastic ANOVA model in order to compare all treated groups to a control group across all timepoints using the following statement:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;LSMEANS Group / PDIFF=Control("1") ADJUST=Dunnett ADJDFE=ROW ;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thanks&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:42:38 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>Ben03</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2016-01-13T13:42:38Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Multiple comparisons against a control in the context of an heteroscedastic ANOVA model</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Multiple-comparisons-against-a-control-in-the-context-of-an/m-p/239377#M12665</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi all,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I would like to have your input regarding a scenario where multiple pairwise comparisons against a control are conducted within the context of an Heteroscedastic&amp;nbsp;Two-Way repeated measures ANOVA model.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Let's say I have 4 groups, group 1 is the control and I have multiple values taken for each group&amp;nbsp;across time. Therefore, I would have an heteroscedastic ANOVA model with Group (4 levels), Time (let's say 6 levels) and their interaction as fixed factors.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The pairwise&amp;nbsp;comparisons of interest would be Group 1 vs Group 2, Group 1 vs Group 3 and Group 1 vs Group 4.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;My SAS mixed procedure would be as follows:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;PROC MIXED Data= data METHOD=REML ;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; CLASS Group Time Subject ;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; MODEL Value = Group Time Group*Time / DDFM=KR ;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; REPEATED Time / GRP=Group Subject=Subject TYPE=CS ;/* this could be a different covariance structure */&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; LSMEANS Group / PDIFF=Control("1") ADJUST= ??? ADJDFE=??? ;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;RUN ;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I would&amp;nbsp;greatly appreciate&amp;nbsp;to know your input for the best approach to consider&amp;nbsp;regarding the "???" that I have included in the above SAS code.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thanks&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2015 17:51:59 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Ben03</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-12-15T17:51:59Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Multiple comparisons against a control in the context of an heteroscedastic ANOVA model</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Multiple-comparisons-against-a-control-in-the-context-of-an/m-p/239747#M12689</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Your code is OK. There are many choices for adjustments. I recommend adj=simulate. This works well for most problems, and gets around the assumptions underlying the other adjustment methods. For your application, you probably don't need a df adjustment. However, with the KR adjustment in the model statement, you could use adjdfe=row to take full advantage of the different df you may have for different means.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;With this repeated measures, you probably also want to look into &lt;STRONG&gt;slices&lt;/STRONG&gt; -- comparisons of means for one factor at each level of the 'other' factor.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2015 14:16:38 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>lvm</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-12-17T14:16:38Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Multiple comparisons against a control in the context of an heteroscedastic ANOVA model</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Multiple-comparisons-against-a-control-in-the-context-of-an/m-p/241272#M12752</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I support&amp;nbsp;&lt;a href="https://communities.sas.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/13758"&gt;@lvm﻿&lt;/a&gt;'s response here. &amp;nbsp;Your current LSMEANS statement compares differences in treatments averaged over all time points, and I am willing to wager upwards of 5 dollars US that you really want to compare differences in treatments at EACH time point. &amp;nbsp;That is what the SLICE and SLICEDIFF option are for.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Steve Denham&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2015 19:21:49 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>SteveDenham</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-12-30T19:21:49Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Multiple comparisons against a control in the context of an heteroscedastic ANOVA model</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Multiple-comparisons-against-a-control-in-the-context-of-an/m-p/243170#M12804</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi &lt;A href="https://communities.sas.com/t5/forums/editpage/board-id/statistical_procedures/message-id/12804" target="_blank"&gt;@SteveDenham&lt;/A&gt;&amp;nbsp;and &lt;A href="https://communities.sas.com/t5/forums/editpage/board-id/statistical_procedures/message-id/12804" target="_blank"&gt;@lvm&lt;/A&gt;,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thank you both for your response. Please note that I had voluntarely remove the LSMEANS statement with the SLICE option in order to put the focus on the pairwise comparion's test performed across all timepoints.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Here is my full code:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;PROC MIXED DATA=data METHOD=REML ;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; CLASS Group Time Subject ;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; MODEL Value = Group Time Group*Time / DDFM=KR ;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; REPEATED Time / GRP=Group Subject=Subject TYPE=CS ; /*this could be a different covariance structure */&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; LSMEANS Group / PDIFF=Control("1") ADJUST=??? ADJDFE=??? ;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; LSMEANS Group*Time / PDIFF SLICE=Time ;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;RUN ;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;My main concern was regarding if the Dunnett test could be used in the context of an Heteroscedastic ANOVA model in order to compare all treated groups to a control group across all timepoints using the following statement:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;LSMEANS Group / PDIFF=Control("1") ADJUST=Dunnett ADJDFE=ROW ;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thanks&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:42:38 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Ben03</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-01-13T13:42:38Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Multiple comparisons against a control in the context of an heteroscedastic ANOVA model</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Multiple-comparisons-against-a-control-in-the-context-of-an/m-p/243180#M12808</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Well, it CAN, but that doesn't mean it is the best option. &amp;nbsp;ADJUST=simulate is by far the best option available in SAS for repeated measures analyses.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Steve Denham&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:52:57 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>SteveDenham</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-01-13T13:52:57Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Multiple comparisons against a control in the context of an heteroscedastic ANOVA model</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Multiple-comparisons-against-a-control-in-the-context-of-an/m-p/243182#M12809</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Thank you Steve. Would you have any kind of documentation or paper that you could please refer to me regarding this adjustment?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thanks&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:57:36 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Ben03</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-01-13T13:57:36Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Multiple comparisons against a control in the context of an heteroscedastic ANOVA model</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Multiple-comparisons-against-a-control-in-the-context-of-an/m-p/243194#M12811</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;The advantage of the&amp;nbsp;SIMULATE option is that it does not require as many assumptions about the data, and I suspect that is whySteve asserted that it is "the best."&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;I suspect that he meant that&amp;nbsp;&lt;STRONG&gt;in practice&lt;/STRONG&gt; simulation is very flexible and works for a wide range of data and models. If the data truly is a random sample from some distribution that is assumed by one of the other methods, then that method might give better results FOR THAT SAMPLE.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:14:58 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Rick_SAS</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-01-13T14:14:58Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Multiple comparisons against a control in the context of an heteroscedastic ANOVA model</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Multiple-comparisons-against-a-control-in-the-context-of-an/m-p/243195#M12812</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I would cite P.H. Westfall, R.D. Tobias, and R.D. Wolfinger. 2011. Multiple Comparisons and Multiple Tests Using SAS, second edition. SAS Press.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;The adjust=simulate is my favorite method.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:15:39 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>lvm</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-01-13T14:15:39Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Multiple comparisons against a control in the context of an heteroscedastic ANOVA model</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Multiple-comparisons-against-a-control-in-the-context-of-an/m-p/243200#M12813</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;And if you use ADJUST=SIMULATE(REPORT) , you can see useful information about the estimation.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:24:20 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Rick_SAS</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-01-13T14:24:20Z</dc:date>
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