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    <title>topic Re: Interpreting Covariance Parameter Estimates in Statistical Procedures</title>
    <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Interpreting-Covariance-Parameter-Estimates/m-p/234502#M12391</link>
    <description>&lt;P&gt;Yes, I have been looking at this book, it helps with a few of the structures, but not the ones mentioned above.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;This is the code im using:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;proc mixed data=work.all; &lt;BR /&gt;class group ID time;&lt;BR /&gt;model Interleukin=group time group*time time0;&lt;BR /&gt;repeated time/subject=ID(group) type=vc;&lt;BR /&gt;run;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;giving:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Covariance Parameter Estimates&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Cov Parm Subject Estimate&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;time ID(Group) 0.8989&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;proc mixed data=work.all; &lt;BR /&gt;class group ID time;&lt;BR /&gt;model Interleukin=group time group*time time0;&lt;BR /&gt;repeated time/subject=ID(group) type=csh;&lt;BR /&gt;run;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;giving:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;TABLE class="table"&gt;
&lt;THEAD&gt;
&lt;TR&gt;
&lt;TH class="c b header" colspan="3" scope="colgroup"&gt;Covariance Parameter Estimates&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;/TR&gt;
&lt;TR&gt;
&lt;TH class="b header" scope="col"&gt;Cov Parm&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TH class="b header" scope="col"&gt;Subject&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TH class="r b header" scope="col"&gt;Estimate&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;/TR&gt;
&lt;/THEAD&gt;
&lt;TBODY&gt;
&lt;TR&gt;
&lt;TH class="rowheader" scope="row"&gt;Var(1)&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TH class="data"&gt;ID(Group)&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TD class="r data"&gt;1.5798&lt;/TD&gt;
&lt;/TR&gt;
&lt;TR&gt;
&lt;TH class="rowheader" scope="row"&gt;Var(2)&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TH class="data"&gt;ID(Group)&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TD class="r data"&gt;1.2841&lt;/TD&gt;
&lt;/TR&gt;
&lt;TR&gt;
&lt;TH class="rowheader" scope="row"&gt;Var(3)&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TH class="data"&gt;ID(Group)&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TD class="r data"&gt;0.4446&lt;/TD&gt;
&lt;/TR&gt;
&lt;TR&gt;
&lt;TH class="rowheader" scope="row"&gt;Var(4)&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TH class="data"&gt;ID(Group)&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TD class="r data"&gt;0.3113&lt;/TD&gt;
&lt;/TR&gt;
&lt;TR&gt;
&lt;TH class="rowheader" scope="row"&gt;CSH&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TH class="data"&gt;ID(Group)&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TD class="r data"&gt;0.09986&lt;/TD&gt;
&lt;/TR&gt;
&lt;/TBODY&gt;
&lt;/TABLE&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;proc mixed data=work.all; &lt;BR /&gt;class group ID time;&lt;BR /&gt;model Interleukin=group time group*time time0;&lt;BR /&gt;repeated time/subject=ID(group) type=toep;&lt;BR /&gt;run;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;giving:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;TABLE class="table"&gt;
&lt;THEAD&gt;
&lt;TR&gt;
&lt;TH class="c b header" colspan="3" scope="colgroup"&gt;Covariance Parameter Estimates&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;/TR&gt;
&lt;TR&gt;
&lt;TH class="b header" scope="col"&gt;Cov Parm&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TH class="b header" scope="col"&gt;Subject&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TH class="r b header" scope="col"&gt;Estimate&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;/TR&gt;
&lt;/THEAD&gt;
&lt;TBODY&gt;
&lt;TR&gt;
&lt;TH class="rowheader" scope="row"&gt;TOEP(2)&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TH class="data"&gt;ID(Group)&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TD class="r data"&gt;0.1454&lt;/TD&gt;
&lt;/TR&gt;
&lt;TR&gt;
&lt;TH class="rowheader" scope="row"&gt;TOEP(3)&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TH class="data"&gt;ID(Group)&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TD class="r data"&gt;0.03786&lt;/TD&gt;
&lt;/TR&gt;
&lt;TR&gt;
&lt;TH class="rowheader" scope="row"&gt;TOEP(4)&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TH class="data"&gt;ID(Group)&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TD class="r data"&gt;-0.04633&lt;/TD&gt;
&lt;/TR&gt;
&lt;TR&gt;
&lt;TH class="rowheader" scope="row"&gt;Residual&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TH class="data"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TD class="r data"&gt;0.9053&lt;/TD&gt;
&lt;/TR&gt;
&lt;/TBODY&gt;
&lt;/TABLE&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;proc mixed data=work.all; &lt;BR /&gt;class group ID time;&lt;BR /&gt;model Interleukin=group time group*time time0;&lt;BR /&gt;repeated time/subject=ID(group) type=toeph;&lt;BR /&gt;run;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;giving:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Covariance Parameter Estimates&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;CovParm Subject Estimate&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Var(1) ID(Group) 1.5813&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Var(2) ID(Group) 1.3935&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Var(3) ID(Group) 0.4481&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Var(4) ID(Group) 0.2919&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;TOEPH(1) ID(Group) 0.2394&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;TOEPH(2) ID(Group) 0.07267&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;TOEPH(3) ID(Group) -0.08388&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2015 21:32:23 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>as00502</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2015-11-12T21:32:23Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Interpreting Covariance Parameter Estimates</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Interpreting-Covariance-Parameter-Estimates/m-p/234474#M12386</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I am comparing Covariance Structures and using; Unstructured, Variance Components, Compound Symmetry, Heterogeneous Compound Symmetry, Toeplitz, Heterogeneous Toeplitz, Autoregressive(1) and Heterogeneous Autoregressive(1).&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;When running these for analysis, the 'covariance parameter estimates' are given, but I cannot decipher what most of them mean!&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Variance Components gives one number listed as time, which I can only assume is the Variance for all?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Heterogeneous Compound Symmetry gives&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Individual variances and a 'CSH'?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Toeplitz gives TOEP(2), TOEP(3), TOEP(4) and a residual.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Heterogeneous Toeplitz gives Variances and TOEP(1), TOEP(2) and TOEP(3)?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I was hoping someone may be able to explain what these parameters are in terms of their position in each Covariance Matrix?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thank you!&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2015 20:31:05 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>as00502</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-11-12T20:31:05Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Interpreting Covariance Parameter Estimates</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Interpreting-Covariance-Parameter-Estimates/m-p/234476#M12387</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;See p 2-3 of Kincaide (2005) &lt;A href="http://www2.sas.com/proceedings/sugi30/198-30.pdf" target="_self"&gt;"Guidelines for Selecting the Covariance Structure in Mixed Model Analysis".&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2015 20:37:29 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Rick_SAS</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-11-12T20:37:29Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Interpreting Covariance Parameter Estimates</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Interpreting-Covariance-Parameter-Estimates/m-p/234478#M12388</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Thank you - I have been looking at this document, but still don't understand how the SAS output relates to these matrices.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2015 20:40:37 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Interpreting-Covariance-Parameter-Estimates/m-p/234478#M12388</guid>
      <dc:creator>as00502</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-11-12T20:40:37Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Interpreting Covariance Parameter Estimates</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Interpreting-Covariance-Parameter-Estimates/m-p/234482#M12389</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;This requires a lot of explanation. You should get the book SAS for Mixed Models, 2nd edition (2006), by Littell et al. This is absolutely essential.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2015 20:52:20 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Interpreting-Covariance-Parameter-Estimates/m-p/234482#M12389</guid>
      <dc:creator>lvm</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-11-12T20:52:20Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Interpreting Covariance Parameter Estimates</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Interpreting-Covariance-Parameter-Estimates/m-p/234483#M12390</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Also, if you showed some code, we might be able to give you some specific suggestions.&amp;nbsp; But you do need this book&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2015 20:53:08 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Interpreting-Covariance-Parameter-Estimates/m-p/234483#M12390</guid>
      <dc:creator>lvm</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-11-12T20:53:08Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Interpreting Covariance Parameter Estimates</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Interpreting-Covariance-Parameter-Estimates/m-p/234502#M12391</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Yes, I have been looking at this book, it helps with a few of the structures, but not the ones mentioned above.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;This is the code im using:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;proc mixed data=work.all; &lt;BR /&gt;class group ID time;&lt;BR /&gt;model Interleukin=group time group*time time0;&lt;BR /&gt;repeated time/subject=ID(group) type=vc;&lt;BR /&gt;run;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;giving:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Covariance Parameter Estimates&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Cov Parm Subject Estimate&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;time ID(Group) 0.8989&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;proc mixed data=work.all; &lt;BR /&gt;class group ID time;&lt;BR /&gt;model Interleukin=group time group*time time0;&lt;BR /&gt;repeated time/subject=ID(group) type=csh;&lt;BR /&gt;run;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;giving:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;TABLE class="table"&gt;
&lt;THEAD&gt;
&lt;TR&gt;
&lt;TH class="c b header" colspan="3" scope="colgroup"&gt;Covariance Parameter Estimates&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;/TR&gt;
&lt;TR&gt;
&lt;TH class="b header" scope="col"&gt;Cov Parm&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TH class="b header" scope="col"&gt;Subject&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TH class="r b header" scope="col"&gt;Estimate&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;/TR&gt;
&lt;/THEAD&gt;
&lt;TBODY&gt;
&lt;TR&gt;
&lt;TH class="rowheader" scope="row"&gt;Var(1)&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TH class="data"&gt;ID(Group)&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TD class="r data"&gt;1.5798&lt;/TD&gt;
&lt;/TR&gt;
&lt;TR&gt;
&lt;TH class="rowheader" scope="row"&gt;Var(2)&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TH class="data"&gt;ID(Group)&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TD class="r data"&gt;1.2841&lt;/TD&gt;
&lt;/TR&gt;
&lt;TR&gt;
&lt;TH class="rowheader" scope="row"&gt;Var(3)&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TH class="data"&gt;ID(Group)&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TD class="r data"&gt;0.4446&lt;/TD&gt;
&lt;/TR&gt;
&lt;TR&gt;
&lt;TH class="rowheader" scope="row"&gt;Var(4)&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TH class="data"&gt;ID(Group)&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TD class="r data"&gt;0.3113&lt;/TD&gt;
&lt;/TR&gt;
&lt;TR&gt;
&lt;TH class="rowheader" scope="row"&gt;CSH&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TH class="data"&gt;ID(Group)&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TD class="r data"&gt;0.09986&lt;/TD&gt;
&lt;/TR&gt;
&lt;/TBODY&gt;
&lt;/TABLE&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;proc mixed data=work.all; &lt;BR /&gt;class group ID time;&lt;BR /&gt;model Interleukin=group time group*time time0;&lt;BR /&gt;repeated time/subject=ID(group) type=toep;&lt;BR /&gt;run;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;giving:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;TABLE class="table"&gt;
&lt;THEAD&gt;
&lt;TR&gt;
&lt;TH class="c b header" colspan="3" scope="colgroup"&gt;Covariance Parameter Estimates&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;/TR&gt;
&lt;TR&gt;
&lt;TH class="b header" scope="col"&gt;Cov Parm&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TH class="b header" scope="col"&gt;Subject&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TH class="r b header" scope="col"&gt;Estimate&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;/TR&gt;
&lt;/THEAD&gt;
&lt;TBODY&gt;
&lt;TR&gt;
&lt;TH class="rowheader" scope="row"&gt;TOEP(2)&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TH class="data"&gt;ID(Group)&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TD class="r data"&gt;0.1454&lt;/TD&gt;
&lt;/TR&gt;
&lt;TR&gt;
&lt;TH class="rowheader" scope="row"&gt;TOEP(3)&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TH class="data"&gt;ID(Group)&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TD class="r data"&gt;0.03786&lt;/TD&gt;
&lt;/TR&gt;
&lt;TR&gt;
&lt;TH class="rowheader" scope="row"&gt;TOEP(4)&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TH class="data"&gt;ID(Group)&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TD class="r data"&gt;-0.04633&lt;/TD&gt;
&lt;/TR&gt;
&lt;TR&gt;
&lt;TH class="rowheader" scope="row"&gt;Residual&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TH class="data"&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/TH&gt;
&lt;TD class="r data"&gt;0.9053&lt;/TD&gt;
&lt;/TR&gt;
&lt;/TBODY&gt;
&lt;/TABLE&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;proc mixed data=work.all; &lt;BR /&gt;class group ID time;&lt;BR /&gt;model Interleukin=group time group*time time0;&lt;BR /&gt;repeated time/subject=ID(group) type=toeph;&lt;BR /&gt;run;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;giving:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Covariance Parameter Estimates&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;CovParm Subject Estimate&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Var(1) ID(Group) 1.5813&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Var(2) ID(Group) 1.3935&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Var(3) ID(Group) 0.4481&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Var(4) ID(Group) 0.2919&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;TOEPH(1) ID(Group) 0.2394&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;TOEPH(2) ID(Group) 0.07267&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;TOEPH(3) ID(Group) -0.08388&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2015 21:32:23 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Interpreting-Covariance-Parameter-Estimates/m-p/234502#M12391</guid>
      <dc:creator>as00502</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-11-12T21:32:23Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Interpreting Covariance Parameter Estimates</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Interpreting-Covariance-Parameter-Estimates/m-p/234508#M12392</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;To start with, you should add the R and RCORR options to the REPEATED statement. This will show you the estimated variance-covariance matrix (and correlation matrix) for your subject. THis will will help you see how the list of variances and/or covariances translate into a matrix. You should also refer to table 15 (9.3 user's guide: "Covariance Structure Examples") in the MIXED chapter to see the various matrices symbolically. Note: your first use of type=vc is just giving a residual (no covariance). The user's guide table gives a toep(2) as an example: you can expand to 3 or 4 using the concept shown in the table.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2015 21:46:48 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Interpreting-Covariance-Parameter-Estimates/m-p/234508#M12392</guid>
      <dc:creator>lvm</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-11-12T21:46:48Z</dc:date>
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