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    <title>topic Mix procedures question in Statistical Procedures</title>
    <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Mix-procedures-question/m-p/193638#M10312</link>
    <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P style="margin-bottom: .0001pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"&gt;Hi everyone,&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P style="margin-bottom: .0001pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"&gt;I am having an issue how to account for the extra error term in our mixed statistical model using the SAS mixed procedure. I want to treat it as a split-plot design to come up with an ANOVA table, and one error term should not include the factor L (see equation below).&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P style="margin-bottom: .0001pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"&gt;My guess is something like:&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P style="margin-bottom: .0001pt;"&gt; &lt;IMG alt="Model.png" class="jive-image" src="https://communities.sas.com/legacyfs/online/11052_Model.png" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P style="margin-bottom: .0001pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"&gt;Proc Mixed data=StrainGauges method=type3; class rep F R C L;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P style="margin-bottom: .0001pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"&gt;model S=F R C FR&amp;nbsp; FC RC FRC L FL RL CL FRL FCL RCL FRCL/ddfm=kr;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P style="margin-bottom: .0001pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"&gt;Random rep(A|B|C)&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P style="margin-bottom: .0001pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"&gt;However, I am not sure how to write the random statement (e.g. "Random rep(A*B*C)" or "Random rep(A|B|C)"). Can someone help me to write this code?&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P style="margin-bottom: .0001pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"&gt;Thanks in advanced!&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P style="margin-bottom: .0001pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"&gt;Josue&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2015 15:06:40 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>Josue</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2015-07-01T15:06:40Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Mix procedures question</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Mix-procedures-question/m-p/193638#M10312</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P style="margin-bottom: .0001pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"&gt;Hi everyone,&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P style="margin-bottom: .0001pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"&gt;I am having an issue how to account for the extra error term in our mixed statistical model using the SAS mixed procedure. I want to treat it as a split-plot design to come up with an ANOVA table, and one error term should not include the factor L (see equation below).&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P style="margin-bottom: .0001pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"&gt;My guess is something like:&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P style="margin-bottom: .0001pt;"&gt; &lt;IMG alt="Model.png" class="jive-image" src="https://communities.sas.com/legacyfs/online/11052_Model.png" /&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P style="margin-bottom: .0001pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"&gt;Proc Mixed data=StrainGauges method=type3; class rep F R C L;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P style="margin-bottom: .0001pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"&gt;model S=F R C FR&amp;nbsp; FC RC FRC L FL RL CL FRL FCL RCL FRCL/ddfm=kr;&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P style="margin-bottom: .0001pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"&gt;Random rep(A|B|C)&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P style="margin-bottom: .0001pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"&gt;However, I am not sure how to write the random statement (e.g. "Random rep(A*B*C)" or "Random rep(A|B|C)"). Can someone help me to write this code?&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P style="margin-bottom: .0001pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"&gt;Thanks in advanced!&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P style="margin-bottom: .0001pt;"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"&gt;Josue&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2015 15:06:40 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Josue</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-07-01T15:06:40Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Mix procedures question</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Mix-procedures-question/m-p/193639#M10313</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;This is a case where you have several random effects, so the rep(A*B*C) is obviously not what you need (and it is just as obvious that it is the residual error).&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;A much better approach would be:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;random intercept F R C F*R F*C R*C F*R*C/subject=rep;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Also in your model statement, be sure to represent interactions with the '*' operator.&amp;nbsp; As it is now, this would treat FR, FC, RC and FRC as continuous (and undefined) variables.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Steve Denham&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2015 19:30:15 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Mix-procedures-question/m-p/193639#M10313</guid>
      <dc:creator>SteveDenham</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-07-02T19:30:15Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Mix procedures question</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Mix-procedures-question/m-p/193640#M10314</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thank you, Steve. Your comments will be very useful for our analysis!&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Josue Bastos&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2015 13:54:33 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/Statistical-Procedures/Mix-procedures-question/m-p/193640#M10314</guid>
      <dc:creator>Josue</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-07-03T13:54:33Z</dc:date>
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