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    <title>topic Re: Proc Glimmix random statement in SAS Procedures</title>
    <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/SAS-Procedures/Proc-Glimmix-random-statement/m-p/267591#M58047</link>
    <description>&lt;P&gt;I would start with the more specific random statement, and reduce as needed. &amp;nbsp;In other words:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;RANDOM intercept A B/subject=block;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;would be the first I would try. &amp;nbsp;If there is sufficient data and variability to estimate all of these components, then you are done. &amp;nbsp;If however, you get the message that the G matrix isn't positive definite, or there are zero values for the block*A or block*B variance components, you can reduce the statement and remove the zero-valued variance component terms.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Steve Denham&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2016 13:16:44 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>SteveDenham</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2016-05-02T13:16:44Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Proc Glimmix random statement</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/SAS-Procedures/Proc-Glimmix-random-statement/m-p/267296#M58020</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi all,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I have an RCBD experiment with a two-way factorial treatment design, which are fully randomized within each block. I also don't have subsampling.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;My question is: In the random statement of the proc Glimmix, should I include only block, or block block*factor(a) and block*factor(b)?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thank you in advance for the support,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Gustavo&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:57:15 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/SAS-Procedures/Proc-Glimmix-random-statement/m-p/267296#M58020</guid>
      <dc:creator>Gubardella</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-04-29T17:57:15Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Proc Glimmix random statement</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/SAS-Procedures/Proc-Glimmix-random-statement/m-p/267591#M58047</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I would start with the more specific random statement, and reduce as needed. &amp;nbsp;In other words:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;RANDOM intercept A B/subject=block;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;would be the first I would try. &amp;nbsp;If there is sufficient data and variability to estimate all of these components, then you are done. &amp;nbsp;If however, you get the message that the G matrix isn't positive definite, or there are zero values for the block*A or block*B variance components, you can reduce the statement and remove the zero-valued variance component terms.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Steve Denham&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2016 13:16:44 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/SAS-Procedures/Proc-Glimmix-random-statement/m-p/267591#M58047</guid>
      <dc:creator>SteveDenham</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-05-02T13:16:44Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Proc Glimmix random statement</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/SAS-Procedures/Proc-Glimmix-random-statement/m-p/267767#M58061</link>
      <description>Thank you for the help, Steve.</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2016 01:50:11 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/SAS-Procedures/Proc-Glimmix-random-statement/m-p/267767#M58061</guid>
      <dc:creator>Gubardella</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-05-03T01:50:11Z</dc:date>
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