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    <title>topic Re: proc mixed- zero covariance estimates in SAS Procedures</title>
    <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/SAS-Procedures/proc-mixed-zero-covariance-estimates/m-p/107464#M29888</link>
    <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;It most likely means that there is insufficient variability remaining after fitting z1 to get a positive estimate with the data you have in hand.&amp;nbsp; The only real solution is the most expensive one--obtain more data. &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Steve Denham&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:39:13 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>SteveDenham</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2012-07-16T12:39:13Z</dc:date>
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      <title>proc mixed- zero covariance estimates</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/SAS-Procedures/proc-mixed-zero-covariance-estimates/m-p/107463#M29887</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;Hi, &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp; I have a data set where I have a dependent variable Y , a treatment variable (Trt) and set of random factors z1(10 levels), z2(2 levels) and z3(2 levels) such that z3 is nested in z2 and z2 is nested in z1 I am using proc mixed to analyze this data. Code below :&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;proc mixed method=REML;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;class trt z1 z2 z3;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;model y = trt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;random z1 z2(z1) z3(z1 z2);&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;run;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The problem is the covariance estimate for z2 comes out as zero. I am wondering why I am getting such an estimate. Any help/insight would be appreciated.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;PS: I have also tried other methods i.e. MIVQUE0 , type 1 and type 2 and ML &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Regards,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Arunava&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2012 07:20:32 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>archnova</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2012-07-15T07:20:32Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: proc mixed- zero covariance estimates</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/SAS-Procedures/proc-mixed-zero-covariance-estimates/m-p/107464#M29888</link>
      <description>&lt;HTML&gt;&lt;HEAD&gt;&lt;/HEAD&gt;&lt;BODY&gt;&lt;P&gt;It most likely means that there is insufficient variability remaining after fitting z1 to get a positive estimate with the data you have in hand.&amp;nbsp; The only real solution is the most expensive one--obtain more data. &lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Steve Denham&lt;/P&gt;&lt;/BODY&gt;&lt;/HTML&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 12:39:13 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/SAS-Procedures/proc-mixed-zero-covariance-estimates/m-p/107464#M29888</guid>
      <dc:creator>SteveDenham</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2012-07-16T12:39:13Z</dc:date>
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