topic Re: ODS Custom Style - Times New Roman vs. Times - Linux in ODS and Base Reporting

ODS Custom Style - Times New Roman vs. Times - Linux

SmithCJGVSU — Thu, 15 Nov 2018 21:19:41 GMT

I am using SAS 9.4M2 on SYSSCP=LIN X64.

I am trying to create a custom template with all fonts as "Times New Roman".

proc template ;

define style MyStyleRTF ;

parent=styles.rtf ;

style fonts /

'TitleFont' = ("Times New Roman",10pt)

'TitleFont2' = ("Times New Roman",10pt)

'headingFont' = ("Times New Roman",10pt,Bold)

'docFont' = ("Times New Roman",10pt)

'footFont' = ("Times New Roman",10pt)

'StrongFont' = ("Times New Roman",10pt,Bold)

'EmphasisFont' = ("Times New Roman",10pt,Italic)

'headingEmphasisFont'= ("Times New Roman",10pt,Italic)

'FixedFont' = ("Times New Roman",10pt)

'FixedEmphasisFont' = ("Times New Roman",10pt,Italic)

'FixedStrongFont' = ("Times New Roman",10pt,Bold)

'FixedHeadingFont' = ("Times New Roman",10pt)

'BatchFixedFont' = ("Times New Roman",10pt) ;

end;

run;

However, after the output is produced. The Font is "Times" not "Times New Roman" throughout the titles, footnotes, and report.

ODS LISTING CLOSE;

ODS tagsets.RTF FILE="/<yourpath>/tagsetsrtf.rtf" style=MyStyleRTF options(VSPACE="NO") startpage=no;

title1 'Title 1';

footnote1 'Footnote 1';

data test;

length col1 text $80.;

text='n'; col1=' 9'; output;

text='mean'; col1=' 21.22'; output;

text='std'; col1=' 1.234'; output;

text='Q1, Q3'; col1=' 1.1, 99.1'; output;

text='min, max'; col1='123.3, 134.5'; output;

run;

proc report data=test;

column text col1;

define text / 'text' ;

define col1 / 'active';

run;

ODS tagsets.RTF close;

What is happening?

Re: ODS Custom Style - Times New Roman vs. Times

Cynthia_sas — Thu, 15 Nov 2018 17:28:54 GMT

Hi:

When I try your code, I do get Times New Roman font used when I open the RTF file with Word. However, are you sure that Times New Roman is available on the system that is opening the RTF file???

What I notice is that if I specify a font that doesn't exist on my system, like Times OLD Roman, then I just get the Times font used in Word, which is probably some default in Word based on finding "Times" in the font name. However, if I specify a totally bogus font name like 'Mites New Roman' or 'Cynthia Font' in the style template, then when I open the file in Word, I get the Courier font used.

You might want to open a track with Tech Support if you can't figure it out.

Cynthia

Re: ODS Custom Style - Times New Roman vs. Times

SmithCJGVSU — Thu, 15 Nov 2018 17:44:24 GMT

Thanks Cynthia,

Yes, Times New Roman is available. For what it's worth, I am using Microsoft Word 2013. In fact, when I open a document and put the cursor before the first paragraph line...

...that shows "Times New Roman". But the actual title text is just "Times".

Sounds like it is something with the Word application, but I'll open a ticket and see where it goes.

Thanks!

Chris

Re: ODS Custom Style - Times New Roman vs. Times

SmithCJGVSU — Thu, 15 Nov 2018 18:45:54 GMT

Attached is the actual RTF file. I've tried opening up on several different versions of Word (Microsoft Word 2010, 2013, Office 365) and it is has the same result.

Cursor before leading paragraph shows application has Times New Roman.

Putting cursor in the titles, footnotes, or body of table shows "Times".

Re: ODS Custom Style - Times New Roman vs. Times

Cynthia_sas — Thu, 15 Nov 2018 21:03:49 GMT

Hi:
Did you get template error messages in the SAS log? That is not how your output should look when you use a parent template. That's not how my output looked in the screen shot when I ran your code.
My guess is that this is a Word oddity and honestly, I don't see great differences between "Times" and Times New Roman" ,but I'm not a font person. But the gray and blue output should NOT be what you see unless somehow your template step failed.
Cynthia

Re: ODS Custom Style - Times New Roman vs. Times - Linux

SmithCJGVSU — Thu, 15 Nov 2018 21:20:15 GMT

Sorry for the confusion, I was continuing to play with different parent styles (statdoc) I think, to see if the issue persisted.

I contacted SAS Tech support and the issue might be related to the fonts available on the Linux server at the time of the RTF creation. The possible resolution will require SAS Admin rights, which I don’t have. I’d recommend anyone else experiencing this issue to also create a SAS support ticket.

I would agree with you that the fonts are very similar, but I’d suspect it would make a medical writer twitch a bit.

Thank you again, Cynthia to your prompt responses.

Re: ODS Custom Style - Times New Roman vs. Times - Linux

Cynthia_sas — Fri, 16 Nov 2018 00:08:26 GMT

Ah, but the beauty of RTF is that once opened in Word, it is a simple CTRL+A to highlight the whole document and then the file font can be changed in Word if Times makes them too twitchy. Then just save the document. RTF files are designed to be editable.
Cynthia