topic Re: Influential and Outliers in New SAS User

Influential and Outliers

Khokhaz — Tue, 09 Oct 2018 19:41:44 GMT

Hi ,

I have simple question in the content of the course the following definition was given to outlier and influential

influential observation : is far away and influences slope of the line

outlier : has large residual compared to other points.

but in the quiz question the answer was an influential observation is BOTH ! ( attached )

I am kind of confused

Thanks

Re: Influential and Outliers

Reeza — Tue, 09 Oct 2018 19:48:32 GMT

An influential observation is an outlier as well.

An outlier, may not be an influential observation since it may not influence the slope of the line.

Note that the first option says "can sometimes have a large residual".

FYI - please rotate your screenshots to make it easier for us to read. You can also load an image directly into the forum, rather than as an attachment which will almost always decrease your response time.

Re: Influential and Outliers

PaigeMiller — Tue, 09 Oct 2018 20:37:11 GMT

An influential observation is far away from the middle of the data IN THE X DIRECTION and influences the slope of the line. (If it is far away in the X direction and does not influence the slope of the line, it is not influential)

An outlier is far away from the line IN THE Y DIRECTION

Re: Influential and Outliers

PaigeMiller — Tue, 09 Oct 2018 20:41:15 GMT

@Reeza wrote:

An influential observation is an outlier as well.

I don't think this is right. The point can be right on the line (hence not an outlier) an influence the slope, compared to the slope of the line that is re-fit without that data point. If these two slopes are vastly different, the point is influential even if it is not an outlier.

Re: Influential and Outliers

Astounding — Tue, 09 Oct 2018 21:08:23 GMT

Some examples:

data test;

do x=1 to 100, 1000000;

y=x;

output;

end;

run;

The point at 1,000,000 for both x and y is an outlier. However, it has no impact on the slope of the line.

data test2;

do x=1 to 100;

y=x;

output;

end;

x=100;

y=1;

output;

run;

Now the first 100 points have x=y and there is no residual based on those points only. However, adding in the last point (x=100, y=1) is not an outlier. Both x and y are within the range of all the other x and y values. But it has tremendous impact over the slope.

Re: Influential and Outliers

Khokhaz — Wed, 10 Oct 2018 11:32:18 GMT

Then why the answer is C both.

Re: Influential and Outliers

PaigeMiller — Wed, 10 Oct 2018 12:37:33 GMT

The answer c is wrong, in my opinion

Of course, this depends on how the word "unusual" is meant in part a, and that can be open to interpretation.