topic Re: Non-normal data: zeros in my data-set in New SAS User

Non-normal data: zeros in my data-set

jrw187 — Fri, 14 Dec 2018 03:43:19 GMT

Hello,

Below is description of my data

8 animals

2 treatments (diets)

24 hourly measurements

4 days of repeated measurements per treatment

(I have a total of 1344 data points)

The response variable, chews/min, is continuous.

I added a column (timeblock) and coded all the hourly observations into one of 8 3-hr time-blocks because it made more sense to analyze the data this way.

I was going to do a mixed model with repeated measures with my primary interest being the forage*timeblock interaction.

But here is the problem. There are certain hours where some of the animals were not eating, and I have recorded values of 0 for the response variable. This obviously is making the data non-normal. Actually, all of the data that is non-zero looks as if it would follow a normal distribution. However, the zeros create a problem. My understanding is that transformations won't help this. I cannot treat the zeros as outliers and remove them - this is actually important to the study (that there are certain times of day when consumption rate is low and how this differs by diet treatment).

Any suggestions on how to work with and analyze this data would be much appreciated. If there is any additional information that I have not provided that would make it easier to answer this question or would be required in order to give a full and informed answer, please let me know.

Thank you!

Re: Non-normal data: zeros in my data-set

Rick_SAS — Fri, 14 Dec 2018 10:56:49 GMT

I suggest you look at the FMM (finite mixture model) documentation to assess whether it will suit your needs. It enables you to model the data as a combination of a normal and a zero-inflated distribution. THe doc has one example about cows eating that you might find relevant, and another example that shows how to handle the zero-inflated portion of the model.

If you decide that you need a mixed model, then I think you will need to look at PROC NLMIXED. If you do an internet search for the terms:

nlmixed zero inflated model sas

then you will find several resources that describe the process.

Re: Non-normal data: zeros in my data-set

Ksharp — Fri, 14 Dec 2018 12:58:23 GMT

You could try TWEEDIE distribution if your response variable is >=0 .

proc genmod;

model y=x /dist=tweedie ;

run;