topic How to use SAS on cloud? in New SAS User

How to use SAS on cloud?

xyxu — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 18:27:39 GMT

Hi folks,

I am working on a few large datasets (> 20GB) and my desktop can barely handle them efficiently, so I was wondering about the best way to run my code with cloud services. I tried AWS, but they seem to only offer University Edition, which restricts the data file size to be <= 10MB (ridiculously small nowadays). What is your recommended solution?

Re: How to use SAS on cloud?

Reeza — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 18:44:49 GMT

Do you have SAS licensed and purchased? If so, you can run it on any cloud services, by setting up a virtual machine and then installing it on that machine. Another option is SAAS NOW which sells access. https://www.saasnow.com

SAS UE is designed for learning, not for usage on large datasets. If you're affiliated with a University your University may sell access to SAS for a very low price, mine does for $29 for example for an annual license.

Re: How to use SAS on cloud?

xyxu — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 18:57:51 GMT

Yes, I do have a paid SAS licensed. My school sold it to me at $90/year.

How much did you pay for setting up a virtual machine? On AWS, it seems a reasonably good one costs quite a bit:

Re: How to use SAS on cloud?

SASKiwi — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 20:18:22 GMT

Adding a solid state drive (SSD) to your PC would give you much better performance and they are not that expensive these days.

Re: How to use SAS on cloud?

xyxu — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 20:31:09 GMT

I installed the system on a 250GB SSD and run SAS on it. When I compare the speed, a sort procedure takes 3 minutes on SAS but only 1.5 seconds with Julia. I am considering buying a bigger SSD but that might not help the speed though.

Re: How to use SAS on cloud?

SASKiwi — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 22:29:54 GMT

If you run SAS on one SSD and have your data on another then I'd expect that would be faster. Also check where your SAS WORK library is pointing. That needs to be on SSD too as that is where all of the SAS sorting utility files go.

Re: How to use SAS on cloud?

Reeza — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 03:02:05 GMT

Isn't Julia In Memory though, whereas SAS Base is drive based? I wouldn't expect the same performances at all between those types of systems. Can you work with the 20GB file on your desktop with Julia?

Re: How to use SAS on cloud?

xyxu — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 03:31:49 GMT

Yeah that's why I found the speed difference a bit shocking. I exported the SAS dataset to csv and let Julia read it. Then I ran the same sorting procedure and compared their time.

Re: How to use SAS on cloud?

Reeza — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 03:36:06 GMT

@xyxu wrote:

Yeah that's why I found the speed difference a bit shocking. I exported the SAS dataset to csv and let Julia read it. Then I ran the same sorting procedure and compared their time.

So Julia is processing a 20GB file on your desktop?

SAS CAS operates in memory and will likely have the requirements you need but it's not a cheap/easy set up by any means and very much an enterprise software. Not sure I'd even feel comfortable tackling that set up personally.

I'm genuinely curious by the way. I actually no longer work with SAS except on the side and work with Python/R but not Julia. We run into massive issues with our data sets (900 million rows) and getting R or Python to work with them at the moment. Likely looking at setting up a Spark cluster but not sure now as there may be budget restrictions.

Re: How to use SAS on cloud?

xyxu — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 04:14:04 GMT

My original SAS dataset is 20.8 GB, and it becomes 6.2GB when exported to CSV. So what Julia actually processes is the 6.2GB file.

Re: How to use SAS on cloud?

ballardw — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 15:09:00 GMT

@xyxu wrote:

My original SAS dataset is 20.8 GB, and it becomes 6.2GB when exported to CSV. So what Julia actually processes is the 6.2GB file.

I might suggest looking at your variable properties. Do you have a lot of character variables with large assigned lengths but many of the variables actually don't use most of the characters reserved?

If so you might want to look at how that SAS set was built and if all those variables really need that length.

Any analysis done with SAS can always used a reduced set of variables by using the data set KEEP option so you needn't drag a bunch of variables you aren't using.

Re: How to use SAS on cloud?

Reeza — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 15:58:23 GMT

You didn't use PROC IMPORT on the 6.2GB CSV did you? If so that would definitely lead to some issues in terms of data size.

Re: How to use SAS on cloud?

xyxu — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 17:29:49 GMT

Yes you are right. When I input raw data files into SAS, I set length to be fairly long ($200.) to ensure no string is truncated, such as firm names and addresses. This increases the size a lot. Do you have any suggested exercise that reduces unneccessary size while avoiding potential truncation?

Re: How to use SAS on cloud?

xyxu — Mon, 20 Apr 2020 17:31:12 GMT

No, I didn't. I think the dataset size is related to string lengths.