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    <title>topic WHY 'DESCENDING' IS USED IN PROC LOGISTIC in New SAS User</title>
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    <description>&lt;P&gt;I was running my probit model using the following code:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;PRE&gt;&lt;CODE class=" language-sas"&gt;proc probit data= &lt;SPAN style="display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: #ffffff; color: black; direction: ltr; font-family: Consolas,Monaco,'Andale Mono','Ubuntu Mono',monospace; font-size: 1em; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 1.5; -ms-hyphens: none; orphans: 2; overflow-wrap: normal; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-shadow: 0px 1px white; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: pre; word-break: normal; word-spacing: normal;"&gt;TRY_Jump_News&lt;/SPAN&gt;;
model FJ_Dummy= &lt;FONT&gt;Abs_Surp_US1-Abs_Surp_US28 Abs_Surp_EU1-Abs_Surp_EU18 Abs_Surp_GER1-Abs_Surp_GER13 &lt;BR /&gt;Abs_Surp_TUR1-Abs_Surp_TUR10&lt;/FONT&gt;;
quit;&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;/PRE&gt;&lt;P&gt;However, SAS log showed me the following warnings:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;PRE&gt;&lt;CODE class=" language-sas"&gt;WARNING: The negative of the Hessian is not positive definite. The convergence is questionable.
WARNING: The procedure is continuing in spite of the above warning. Results shown are based on
         the last maximum likelihood iteration. Validity of the model fit is questionable&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;/PRE&gt;&lt;P&gt;Then, I tried the following code, and I got results without any warnings:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;PRE&gt;&lt;CODE class=" language-sas"&gt;proc logistic data= TRY_Jump_News descending;
model FJ_Dummy= &lt;FONT&gt;Abs_Surp_US1-Abs_Surp_US28 Abs_Surp_EU1-Abs_Surp_EU18 Abs_Surp_GER1-Abs_Surp_GER13&lt;BR /&gt;Abs_Surp_TUR1-Abs_Surp_TUR10&lt;/FONT&gt;/ link= probit;
quit;&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;/PRE&gt;&lt;P&gt;And I get the following notes:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;PRE&gt;&lt;CODE class=" language-sas"&gt;NOTE: PROC LOGISTIC is modeling the probability that FJ_Dummy='1'.
NOTE: Convergence criterion (GCONV=1E-8) satisfied.
NOTE: There were 518484 observations read from the data set WORK.TRY_JUMP_NEWS.
NOTE: PROCEDURE LOGISTIC used (Total process time):
      real time           19.23 seconds
      cpu time            19.17 second&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;/PRE&gt;&lt;P&gt;Please note the 'descending' in PROC LOGISTIC statement. I think this is what is making the difference.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Could you please explain what is the purpose of the&amp;nbsp;&lt;SPAN style="display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: #ffffff; color: #333333; cursor: text; font-family: 'HelevticaNeue-light','Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"&gt;'descending' &lt;/SPAN&gt;here?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Much thanks.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2019 04:21:52 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>d6k5d3</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2019-05-23T04:21:52Z</dc:date>
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      <title>WHY 'DESCENDING' IS USED IN PROC LOGISTIC</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/New-SAS-User/WHY-DESCENDING-IS-USED-IN-PROC-LOGISTIC/m-p/561031#M10526</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;I was running my probit model using the following code:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;PRE&gt;&lt;CODE class=" language-sas"&gt;proc probit data= &lt;SPAN style="display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: #ffffff; color: black; direction: ltr; font-family: Consolas,Monaco,'Andale Mono','Ubuntu Mono',monospace; font-size: 1em; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 1.5; -ms-hyphens: none; orphans: 2; overflow-wrap: normal; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-shadow: 0px 1px white; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: pre; word-break: normal; word-spacing: normal;"&gt;TRY_Jump_News&lt;/SPAN&gt;;
model FJ_Dummy= &lt;FONT&gt;Abs_Surp_US1-Abs_Surp_US28 Abs_Surp_EU1-Abs_Surp_EU18 Abs_Surp_GER1-Abs_Surp_GER13 &lt;BR /&gt;Abs_Surp_TUR1-Abs_Surp_TUR10&lt;/FONT&gt;;
quit;&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;/PRE&gt;&lt;P&gt;However, SAS log showed me the following warnings:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;PRE&gt;&lt;CODE class=" language-sas"&gt;WARNING: The negative of the Hessian is not positive definite. The convergence is questionable.
WARNING: The procedure is continuing in spite of the above warning. Results shown are based on
         the last maximum likelihood iteration. Validity of the model fit is questionable&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;/PRE&gt;&lt;P&gt;Then, I tried the following code, and I got results without any warnings:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;PRE&gt;&lt;CODE class=" language-sas"&gt;proc logistic data= TRY_Jump_News descending;
model FJ_Dummy= &lt;FONT&gt;Abs_Surp_US1-Abs_Surp_US28 Abs_Surp_EU1-Abs_Surp_EU18 Abs_Surp_GER1-Abs_Surp_GER13&lt;BR /&gt;Abs_Surp_TUR1-Abs_Surp_TUR10&lt;/FONT&gt;/ link= probit;
quit;&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;/PRE&gt;&lt;P&gt;And I get the following notes:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;PRE&gt;&lt;CODE class=" language-sas"&gt;NOTE: PROC LOGISTIC is modeling the probability that FJ_Dummy='1'.
NOTE: Convergence criterion (GCONV=1E-8) satisfied.
NOTE: There were 518484 observations read from the data set WORK.TRY_JUMP_NEWS.
NOTE: PROCEDURE LOGISTIC used (Total process time):
      real time           19.23 seconds
      cpu time            19.17 second&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;/PRE&gt;&lt;P&gt;Please note the 'descending' in PROC LOGISTIC statement. I think this is what is making the difference.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Could you please explain what is the purpose of the&amp;nbsp;&lt;SPAN style="display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: #ffffff; color: #333333; cursor: text; font-family: 'HelevticaNeue-light','Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"&gt;'descending' &lt;/SPAN&gt;here?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Much thanks.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2019 04:21:52 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>d6k5d3</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-05-23T04:21:52Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: WHY 'DESCENDING' IS USED IN PROC LOGISTIC</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/New-SAS-User/WHY-DESCENDING-IS-USED-IN-PROC-LOGISTIC/m-p/561033#M10528</link>
      <description>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;SPAN class=" aa-term "&gt;DESC&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;reverses the sort order for the levels of the response variable. If both the DESCENDING and &lt;A class="ng-scope" tabindex="0" href="https://documentation.sas.com/?docsetId=statug&amp;amp;docsetTarget=statug_logistic_syntax01.htm&amp;amp;docsetVersion=14.3&amp;amp;locale=en#statug.logistic.logisticorder" data-docset-id="statug" data-docset-version="14.3" data-original-href="statug_logistic_syntax01.htm#statug.logistic.logisticorder"&gt;ORDER=&lt;/A&gt; options are specified, PROC LOGISTIC orders the levels according to the ORDER= option and then reverses that order. This option has the same effect as the response variable option &lt;A class="ng-scope" tabindex="0" href="https://documentation.sas.com/?docsetId=statug&amp;amp;docsetTarget=statug_logistic_syntax22.htm&amp;amp;docsetVersion=14.3&amp;amp;locale=en#statug.logistic.logisticresponsedesc" data-docset-id="statug" data-docset-version="14.3" data-original-href="statug_logistic_syntax22.htm#statug.logistic.logisticresponsedesc"&gt;DESCENDING&lt;/A&gt; in the &lt;A class="ng-scope" tabindex="0" href="https://documentation.sas.com/?docsetId=statug&amp;amp;docsetTarget=statug_logistic_syntax22.htm&amp;amp;docsetVersion=14.3&amp;amp;locale=en" data-docset-id="statug" data-docset-version="14.3" data-original-href="statug_logistic_syntax22.htm"&gt;MODEL&lt;/A&gt; statement. See the section &lt;A class="ng-scope" tabindex="0" href="https://documentation.sas.com/?docsetId=statug&amp;amp;docsetTarget=statug_logistic_details02.htm&amp;amp;docsetVersion=14.3&amp;amp;locale=en" data-docset-id="statug" data-docset-version="14.3" data-original-href="statug_logistic_details02.htm"&gt;Response Level Ordering&lt;/A&gt; for more detail.&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;Run it without descending and compare the notes.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;BLOCKQUOTE&gt;&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;a href="https://communities.sas.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/239423"&gt;@d6k5d3&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;wrote:&lt;BR /&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I was running my probit model using the following code:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;PRE&gt;&lt;CODE class=" language-sas"&gt;proc probit data= &lt;SPAN style="display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: #ffffff; color: black; direction: ltr; font-family: Consolas,Monaco,'Andale Mono','Ubuntu Mono',monospace; font-size: 1em; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 1.5; -ms-hyphens: none; orphans: 2; overflow-wrap: normal; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-shadow: 0px 1px white; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: pre; word-break: normal; word-spacing: normal;"&gt;TRY_Jump_News&lt;/SPAN&gt;;
model FJ_Dummy= &lt;FONT&gt;Abs_Surp_US1-Abs_Surp_US28 Abs_Surp_EU1-Abs_Surp_EU18 Abs_Surp_GER1-Abs_Surp_GER13&lt;BR /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Abs_Surp_TUR1-Abs_Surp_TUR10&lt;/FONT&gt;;
quit;&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;/PRE&gt;
&lt;P&gt;However, SAS log showed me the following warnings:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;PRE&gt;&lt;CODE class=" language-sas"&gt;WARNING: The negative of the Hessian is not positive definite. The convergence is questionable.
WARNING: The procedure is continuing in spite of the above warning. Results shown are based on
         the last maximum likelihood iteration. Validity of the model fit is questionable&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;/PRE&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Then, I tried the following code, and I got results without any warnings:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;PRE&gt;&lt;CODE class=" language-sas"&gt;proc logistic data= TRY_Jump_News descending;
model FJ_Dummy= &lt;FONT&gt;Abs_Surp_US1-Abs_Surp_US28 Abs_Surp_EU1-Abs_Surp_EU18 Abs_Surp_GER1-Abs_Surp_GER13&lt;BR /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Abs_Surp_TUR1-Abs_Surp_TUR10&lt;/FONT&gt;/ link= probit;
quit;&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;/PRE&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;And I get the following notes:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;PRE&gt;&lt;CODE class=" language-sas"&gt;NOTE: PROC LOGISTIC is modeling the probability that FJ_Dummy='1'.
NOTE: Convergence criterion (GCONV=1E-8) satisfied.
NOTE: There were 518484 observations read from the data set WORK.TRY_JUMP_NEWS.
NOTE: PROCEDURE LOGISTIC used (Total process time):
      real time           19.23 seconds
      cpu time            19.17 second&lt;/CODE&gt;&lt;/PRE&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Please note the 'descending' in PROC LOGISTIC statement. I think this is what is making the difference.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Could you please explain what is the purpose of the&amp;nbsp;&lt;SPAN style="display: inline !important; float: none; background-color: #ffffff; color: #333333; cursor: text; font-family: 'HelevticaNeue-light','Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-decoration: none; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"&gt;'descending' &lt;/SPAN&gt;here?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Much thanks.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;HR /&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2019 04:17:53 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Reeza</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2019-05-23T04:17:53Z</dc:date>
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