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    <title>topic Time series model about AIC matrix in SAS Forecasting and Econometrics</title>
    <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/SAS-Forecasting-and-Econometrics/Time-series-model-about-AIC-matrix/m-p/456585#M3094</link>
    <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi everyone,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I know use minic statement we can get minimum information criterion and best p,q selection by BIC method and also a matrix consists of different combination of AR&amp;amp;MA like below(a part of scrrenshot).&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;PROC&lt;/STRONG&gt; &lt;STRONG&gt;ARIMA&lt;/STRONG&gt; &lt;STRONG&gt;DATA&lt;/STRONG&gt;= Training;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;IDENTIFY VAR = Y(&lt;STRONG&gt;1&lt;/STRONG&gt;) MINIC;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;RUN&lt;/STRONG&gt;;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Quit;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="2018-04-23 11_03_06-mimc df1pq12.pdf - Adobe Acrobat Reader 2017.png" style="width: 600px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://communities.sas.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/20052i319E7E3CB76AB92D/image-size/large?v=v2&amp;amp;px=999" role="button" title="2018-04-23 11_03_06-mimc df1pq12.pdf - Adobe Acrobat Reader 2017.png" alt="2018-04-23 11_03_06-mimc df1pq12.pdf - Adobe Acrobat Reader 2017.png" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The question is that can I get AIC matrix like above?? so I can compare AIC and BIC together? After comparison, I can choose a good selection of p, q and use the selected p,q to forecast loan price after 2018 to 2024.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;And I know scan statement can also give us p,q selection, but how to interpret the selection result?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="2018-04-23 11_08_44-arima scan.pdf - Adobe Acrobat Reader 2017.png" style="width: 160px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://communities.sas.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/20054iDBFD4F799AC0452B/image-size/large?v=v2&amp;amp;px=999" role="button" title="2018-04-23 11_08_44-arima scan.pdf - Adobe Acrobat Reader 2017.png" alt="2018-04-23 11_08_44-arima scan.pdf - Adobe Acrobat Reader 2017.png" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Note: I take d=1, but p+d=0? I think p+d should equal to at least 1, cause d=1. And p+d=11, which means this selection can be p=10, q=0, which arima model is (10,1,0).&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Best,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Michelle&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2018 16:14:03 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>michellekwai</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2018-04-23T16:14:03Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Time series model about AIC matrix</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/SAS-Forecasting-and-Econometrics/Time-series-model-about-AIC-matrix/m-p/456585#M3094</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi everyone,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I know use minic statement we can get minimum information criterion and best p,q selection by BIC method and also a matrix consists of different combination of AR&amp;amp;MA like below(a part of scrrenshot).&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;PROC&lt;/STRONG&gt; &lt;STRONG&gt;ARIMA&lt;/STRONG&gt; &lt;STRONG&gt;DATA&lt;/STRONG&gt;= Training;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;IDENTIFY VAR = Y(&lt;STRONG&gt;1&lt;/STRONG&gt;) MINIC;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;RUN&lt;/STRONG&gt;;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;Quit;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;STRONG&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="2018-04-23 11_03_06-mimc df1pq12.pdf - Adobe Acrobat Reader 2017.png" style="width: 600px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://communities.sas.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/20052i319E7E3CB76AB92D/image-size/large?v=v2&amp;amp;px=999" role="button" title="2018-04-23 11_03_06-mimc df1pq12.pdf - Adobe Acrobat Reader 2017.png" alt="2018-04-23 11_03_06-mimc df1pq12.pdf - Adobe Acrobat Reader 2017.png" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/STRONG&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The question is that can I get AIC matrix like above?? so I can compare AIC and BIC together? After comparison, I can choose a good selection of p, q and use the selected p,q to forecast loan price after 2018 to 2024.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;And I know scan statement can also give us p,q selection, but how to interpret the selection result?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="2018-04-23 11_08_44-arima scan.pdf - Adobe Acrobat Reader 2017.png" style="width: 160px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://communities.sas.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/20054iDBFD4F799AC0452B/image-size/large?v=v2&amp;amp;px=999" role="button" title="2018-04-23 11_08_44-arima scan.pdf - Adobe Acrobat Reader 2017.png" alt="2018-04-23 11_08_44-arima scan.pdf - Adobe Acrobat Reader 2017.png" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Note: I take d=1, but p+d=0? I think p+d should equal to at least 1, cause d=1. And p+d=11, which means this selection can be p=10, q=0, which arima model is (10,1,0).&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Best,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Michelle&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 23 Apr 2018 16:14:03 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>michellekwai</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2018-04-23T16:14:03Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Time series model about AIC matrix</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/SAS-Forecasting-and-Econometrics/Time-series-model-about-AIC-matrix/m-p/457948#M3103</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi Michelle,&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;PROC ARIMA only outputs the BIC when the MINIC option is specified and does not provide an option to&amp;nbsp;generate a matrix of AIC values for&amp;nbsp;the set of&amp;nbsp;candidate models.&amp;nbsp; Box, Jenkins and Reinsel (1994) provide a good discussion of the algorithm&amp;nbsp;used by the MINIC option in PROC ARIMA.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Regarding your second question, if you are specifying something like:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;identify var=y(1) scan;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;then the Tentative Order Selection Tests table identifies&amp;nbsp;candidate models&amp;nbsp;for the &lt;EM&gt;differenced&lt;/EM&gt; series.&amp;nbsp; Any differencing orders that have already been specified in the VAR= option are not included in the (p+d) column of the Tentative Order Selection Tests table.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;Based on the table you provided, the final models suggested by the combination of the SCAN option output&amp;nbsp;and&amp;nbsp;the differencing order&amp;nbsp;you already&amp;nbsp;specified in the VAR= option are:&amp;nbsp; ARIMA(0,1,1) and ARIMA(11,1,0).&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;EM&gt;Example 7.5 Using Diagnostics to Identify ARIMA&amp;nbsp;Models&lt;/EM&gt;&amp;nbsp;in the PROC ARIMA documentation provides some additional insight into tentative order selection.&amp;nbsp; A link to that example is provided below:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;A href="http://go.documentation.sas.com/?docsetId=etsug&amp;amp;docsetTarget=etsug_arima_examples05.htm&amp;amp;docsetVersion=14.3&amp;amp;locale=en" target="_self"&gt;http://go.documentation.sas.com/?docsetId=etsug&amp;amp;docsetTarget=etsug_arima_examples05.htm&amp;amp;docsetVersion=14.3&amp;amp;locale=en&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I hope this helps!&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;DW&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2018 20:30:00 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/SAS-Forecasting-and-Econometrics/Time-series-model-about-AIC-matrix/m-p/457948#M3103</guid>
      <dc:creator>dw_sas</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2018-04-26T20:30:00Z</dc:date>
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