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    <title>topic Re: How do i compare results of  k-means, agglomerative heirarchical  clustering &amp;amp;  kohnen SOM ? in SAS Data Science</title>
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    <description>&lt;P&gt;As mentioned previously, you can do an analysis of variance. I don't know if there is an Enterprise Miner node that does this either, but you can use the SAS code node to run the PROC GLM.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;In general it can be hard to determine "best" clusters/segments. There are multiple measures, but some of them don't compare across types of clustering methods (centroid based vs hierarchical based). Ultimately it may be worth trying all the clustering methods, and then computing your analysis on each set. If your analysis is better on one set of segments/clusters than another, then that could be one way to determine "best."&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;If you're looking at the results of a final modeling, then you might need to consider a holdout set so that you're not biased in determining your best clusters. Ultimately approaching the definition of "best" in this way ties the definition of best clusters to the ultimate modeling results that you're looking for.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2018 14:35:48 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>RalphAbbey</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2018-05-02T14:35:48Z</dc:date>
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      <title>How do I compare results of  k-means, agglomerative hierarchical clustering &amp; Kohonen SOM?</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/SAS-Data-Science/How-do-I-compare-results-of-k-means-agglomerative-hierarchical/m-p/458747#M6932</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hello,&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;I have a transnational data from which Im making customer segments&amp;nbsp;through k-means clustering, agglomerative hierarchical clustering and Kohnen Self Organising Map on SAS Enterprise Miner 14.2 . My questions is i want to compare these methods as&amp;nbsp;which one has produced the best segments. Can somebody suggest me some measures available on SAS Miner through which i can compare these methods in terms of performance, distance measures&amp;nbsp; or segment results ?&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Thank you.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2018 20:30:06 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>saadgill</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2018-05-03T20:30:06Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: How do i compare results of  k-means, agglomerative heirarchical  clustering &amp;  kohnen SOM ?</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/SAS-Data-Science/How-do-I-compare-results-of-k-means-agglomerative-hierarchical/m-p/458749#M6933</link>
      <description>Do you have some metric that tells you what the 'correct segments' are?</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2018 17:04:08 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Reeza</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2018-04-30T17:04:08Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: How do i compare results of  k-means, agglomerative heirarchical  clustering</title>
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      <description>No, actually this is what i really want to know that on what metrics should i measure my segments for each method ?&lt;BR /&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2018 19:07:18 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>saadgill</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2018-04-30T19:07:18Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: How do i compare results of  k-means, agglomerative heirarchical  clustering &amp;  kohnen SOM ?</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/SAS-Data-Science/How-do-I-compare-results-of-k-means-agglomerative-hierarchical/m-p/458945#M6938</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;You can do Analysis of Variance .&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;In SAS/STAT,&amp;nbsp; PROC GLM can do that. I am not sure which node in EM you can refer to .&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2018 10:39:53 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Ksharp</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2018-05-01T10:39:53Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: How do i compare results of  k-means, agglomerative heirarchical  clustering &amp;  kohnen SOM ?</title>
      <link>https://communities.sas.com/t5/SAS-Data-Science/How-do-I-compare-results-of-k-means-agglomerative-hierarchical/m-p/459329#M6948</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;As mentioned previously, you can do an analysis of variance. I don't know if there is an Enterprise Miner node that does this either, but you can use the SAS code node to run the PROC GLM.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;In general it can be hard to determine "best" clusters/segments. There are multiple measures, but some of them don't compare across types of clustering methods (centroid based vs hierarchical based). Ultimately it may be worth trying all the clustering methods, and then computing your analysis on each set. If your analysis is better on one set of segments/clusters than another, then that could be one way to determine "best."&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;If you're looking at the results of a final modeling, then you might need to consider a holdout set so that you're not biased in determining your best clusters. Ultimately approaching the definition of "best" in this way ties the definition of best clusters to the ultimate modeling results that you're looking for.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2018 14:35:48 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://communities.sas.com/t5/SAS-Data-Science/How-do-I-compare-results-of-k-means-agglomerative-hierarchical/m-p/459329#M6948</guid>
      <dc:creator>RalphAbbey</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2018-05-02T14:35:48Z</dc:date>
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